Sakurai as a first course in QM

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of using Sakurai's "Modern Quantum Mechanics" as a primary text for an independent study in quantum mechanics, particularly for an undergraduate student who has not yet taken a formal course in the subject. Participants explore the implications of substituting this advanced text for a standard introductory course typically using Griffiths or Liboff.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confidence in their understanding of Sakurai's book after reviewing the first two chapters and considers an independent study as a viable option.
  • Another participant notes that policies regarding independent study may vary by institution, suggesting that it might be worth asking, but cautioning that many schools do not allow substitutions for catalog-listed courses.
  • Some participants highlight that Sakurai's text is generally regarded as graduate-level material, implying that taking a graduate course might be more appropriate if available.
  • A participant warns against forming a complete judgment of Sakurai's book based solely on the initial chapters, mentioning that later chapters may differ in quality and coherence.
  • Concerns are raised about the readability of certain sections of Sakurai's book, particularly those on scattering and perturbation theory, suggesting that they may not be as well-written as earlier chapters.
  • One participant argues that while undergraduate texts like Griffiths provide a good introduction, they may not cover quantum mechanics in a comprehensive manner, particularly regarding the use of Dirac notation and derivations of fundamental equations.
  • There is a suggestion that if the student struggles with deriving basic solutions presented in Sakurai, they should consider using an undergraduate text as a supplementary resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of opinions regarding the appropriateness of Sakurai for an independent study. While some support the idea, others caution against it, emphasizing the potential challenges and differences in content quality throughout the book. No consensus is reached on whether substituting Sakurai for a standard course is advisable.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the quality and coherence of Sakurai's book may vary across different chapters, with some sections being more challenging than others. There is also an acknowledgment of institutional policies that may affect the feasibility of independent study options.

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I'm a junior undergraduate who has yet to take quantum mechanics, although I did have a brief introduction to basic wave mechanics (square well, harmonic oscillator, tunneling, the hydrogen atom, etc.) in "modern physics" course. I've also watched and taken notes from the Quantum Mechanics lectures from Oxford that have been posted on iTunes, and found I understood them reasonably well. I checked Sakurai's book out from the library and have been going through the first two chapters, and I am having no difficulty in understanding it.
I am considering asking my department if I could do an independent study with Sakurai's book in lieu of the introductory quantum mechanics course, which I think uses Griffiths or Liboff. Does this seem like a reasonable idea? Would I be missing anything terribly important? Should I just bite the bullet and take the other course?
 
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capandbells said:
I am considering asking my department if I could do an independent study with Sakurai's book in lieu of the introductory quantum mechanics course, which I think uses Griffiths or Liboff.

It doesn't hurt to ask, of course, and different schools are likely to have different policies on this sort of thing. Here, we generally don't allow students to substitute an independent study for a catalog-listed course on the same subject, unless there is no way they can fit the official course into their schedule without postponing their graduation.
 
capandbells said:
I am considering asking my department if I could do an independent study with Sakurai's book in lieu of the introductory quantum mechanics course, which I think uses Griffiths or Liboff. Does this seem like a reasonable idea? Would I be missing anything terribly important? Should I just bite the bullet and take the other course?

Sakurai is usually considered a graduate level course so if your university offers graduate level QM, you might want to consider taking that. Universities tend to make it difficult to do independent study, so you can ask, but the answer will probably be no, in which case, you can take the undergraduate course and the read Sakurai on the side.
 
capandbells said:
I checked Sakurai's book out from the library and have been going through the first two chapters, and I am having no difficulty in understanding it.

I don't remember Sakurai's book (modern quantum mechanics) very well and I have gone just through part of it, but from what i do remember I advise you to not judge the whole book from first 2 (or even 3) chapters. That book was finished after author's death and I think it reflected on the content quite negatively. Though I may be biased as I had to be reading it in quite a hurry.
 
FroChro said:
I don't remember Sakurai's book (modern quantum mechanics) very well and I have gone just through part of it, but from what i do remember I advise you to not judge the whole book from first 2 (or even 3) chapters. That book was finished after author's death and I think it reflected on the content quite negatively. Though I may be biased as I had to be reading it in quite a hurry.

I think the first 4 chapters are great, and I had no problems with Chapter 7 on identical particles.

However, the chapters on scattering and time independent perturbation theory were much harder to read. You could tell Sakurai did not write them all himself. Overall the book is good and I think it's worth reading the 5 good chapters and the sections on Time dependent perturbation theory. However, be aware that other parts of the book are extremely trying at times.
 
If you truly have no problem understanding and following Sakurai, then definitely go with that. The undergrad books (e.g. Grifiths) are great for introducing basic results and phenomena, but don't necessarily do quantum the "right way" (e.g. invoking the full power of Dirac notation and actually deriving the Schrödinger equation). One caveat though; Sakurai has, as an appendix, a summary (equations w/o proof or much discussion) of elementary solutions of the Schrödinger equation. You should be able to derive all of those equations without much problem. If you cannot, then I would suggest an undergrad book as a supplement for those solutions.
 

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