Saltwater fish in Freshwater diluted with salt

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The discussion revolves around the viability of saltwater fish living in a diluted freshwater environment, particularly focusing on the physiological adaptations of various fish species to different salinity levels. Participants explore the implications of salinity on fish health and the necessary conditions for maintaining saltwater fish in non-saltwater environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that most fish have a limited tolerance for variations in salinity, with specific species exhibiting different abilities to transition between saltwater and freshwater.
  • It is mentioned that certain species, like salmon, undergo physiological changes throughout their life cycle to adapt to varying salinity levels.
  • Others point out that brackish fish may have the largest tolerance for salinity changes, suggesting that some fish can benefit from slightly salty water during specific life stages.
  • One participant questions whether a clownfish could live its full lifespan in a freshwater system with added salt, seeking clarification on necessary parameters for such an environment.
  • A later reply indicates that clownfish are generally not tolerant of freshwater, citing specific environmental conditions they require, including stable salinity and water quality parameters.
  • Another participant reflects on their childhood experience with a fish kept in freshwater, which highlights the potential dangers of improper salinity for saltwater fish.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that saltwater fish have specific salinity requirements and that not all species can adapt to freshwater environments. However, there are competing views regarding the extent of tolerance among different species and the conditions necessary for their survival in altered salinity.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include the lack of specific quantitative data on salinity thresholds for various species and the absence of detailed exploration into the physiological mechanisms that allow certain fish to adapt to different salinity levels.

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Suppose I dilute a freshwater tank with an appropriate amount of salt, will saltwater fish be able to live in it? if not, then why?
 
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Most fish are tolerant of only a limited variation in the saltiness of the water in which they reside.

However, different fish have different abilities to go from salt to freshwater or the other way around.
Some (like salmon) change their abilities to do this based on their stage of life. Salmon start in freshwater (as eggs), then go to the ocean, then return to freshwater to mate and lay eggs. Their physiology changes to make this possible.
Bull sharks are usually found in oceans but can go far up rivers.

Some fish have benefits from more or less salt. Slightly salty water is good for some larval fish at certain ages. It takes energy to pump excess salt out of their bodies, so adding a little salt (but not too much) to the water can benefit them.

Generally speaking, brackish fish (fish in water where fresh mixes with salt) probably have the largest tolerance. (there are some really interesting brackish fish to keep if you are a fish keeper, but as said above, they are more difficult.)

The major take home lesson would be to research what the specific kind of fish you are interested in can tolerate at what time in their life cycle.
There are many resources for this information: books, magazines, websites, extension services, aquaculture organization, hobbyist organizations.
 
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Well, considering a standard saltwater creature that only lives in the ocean ( not living in brackish waters, not diverting between salt and fresh waters, etc. ) - a clownfish for example. Assuming my aquarium with salt ( at the "right" concentration for the clownfish to still be considered hyposmotic relative to tank's water ) is fully cycled, is it suffice for the clownfish to live to its full lifespan?
What parameters have to be "added" to a freshwater system in order for the clownfish to live its full life span?
 
A quick google search: "clownfish freshwater tolerance" shows a wide consensus that clownfish can not tolerate freshwater.
Here is one result:
Ocellaris clownfish prefer a water temperature between 72-78° F with a pH between 8.0-8.4. As saltwater fish, they require a stable salinity between 1.020-1.026. Clownfish cannot tolerate any traces of ammonia or nitrite.Jan 31, 2023

They are however easy to keep in salt tanks.
 
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Thanks! this clarified things for me. I was perplexed as to the basics of the chemistry that sustains the life of saltwater fish from reading about discussions of what it takes to establish a saltwater tank: powerheads, reverse osmosis system, protein skimmer, etc. Of course, these are important to the keep the fish healthy and etc but not the ground basics of why they are able to live in saltwater.
 
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As a child my parents had friends in New Jersey. On a visit to those friends, I was playing on a beach when I accidently captured a small fish (about 1 inch long) in a sand pool I had dug out. Those friends kept my prize in a small fish bowl with tap water - and a few days later report by phone on its progress. It had slowly inflated to many times its volume before dying.
 
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