Sampling With The Normal Distribution

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the sampling distribution of the mean from a normal distribution, specifically addressing the conditions under which the probability of the sample mean deviating from the population mean exceeds a certain threshold. Participants explore theoretical aspects of probability distributions, focusing on deriving the necessary sample size and calculating probabilities related to the sample mean.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving a problem related to the mean of a sample from a normal distribution and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests deriving the probability distribution for the sample mean, \(\bar{X}\), and indicates that this distribution depends on the sample size \(n\).
  • A participant confirms the distribution of \(\bar{X}\) as \(N(\mu, \sigma^2/n)\) and seeks guidance on the next steps for calculating probabilities.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the probability density function for the deviation of \(\bar{X}\) from \(\mu\) and how to set up the integrals to find the required probabilities.
  • One participant calculates that the minimum sample size \(n\) must be greater than 16 to satisfy the given probability condition.
  • Another participant presents an alternative method to arrive at the same conclusion regarding the minimum value of \(n\), confirming that \(n\) must be at least 16.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of determining the sample size \(n\) to satisfy the probability condition, with multiple methods being discussed to arrive at the same conclusion. However, the discussion does not resolve any potential differences in approach or interpretation of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical steps and assumptions that are not fully resolved, such as the specific calculations involved in determining the probability thresholds and the implications of the derived inequalities.

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I have been puzzling over this problem for about a week now and cannot find the answer. In my opinion it is very theoretical, but I know I ma not the best mathematician on here so maybe someone else could look at this.

The mean of a random sample of n observations drawn from an N([tex]\mu[/tex],[tex]\sigma[/tex]2) distribution is denoted by [tex]\bar{X}[/tex].

Given that p(|[tex]\bar{X}[/tex]-[tex]\mu[/tex]|>0.5[tex]\sigma[/tex])>0.05

(a) Find the smallest vaule of n
(b) With this value of n find p([tex]\bar{X}[/tex]<[tex]\mu[/tex]+0.1[tex]\sigma[/tex])

Thank you.
 
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You need to derive the probability distribution for [tex]\bar{X}[/tex]. This is possible, since it is a sum of n quantities for which you know the distribution. Tthe distribution for [tex]\bar{X}[/tex] willl depend on n. You can then calculate the probability that [tex]|\bar{X}-\mu|>\sigma/2[/tex] in the ordinary way. This gives you an inequality for n. Then find the smallest n that satisfies the inequality.

When you know n, you have completely specified the distribution for [tex]\bar{X}[/tex], and you can do part (b).

So the first step is to find the distribution of a sum of quantities, expressed in terms of their individual distributions.

Torquil
 
Do you mean [tex]\bar{X}[/tex]~N([tex]\mu[/tex],[tex]\sigma[/tex]2/n)

Where do I go from here if I knew the probability then I think I could manage.
 
Cool, that's the same thing I got. From that you can write the explicit gaussian probability density for e.g. [tex]u:=\bar{X}-\mu[/tex]. Call it e.g. [tex]\rho_n(u)[/tex]. It will depend on n of course. It will simply the usual normalied gaussian centered around u=0, with variance [tex]\sigma^2/n[/tex] I think.

Then the probability [tex]P(n)[/tex] that [tex]|u|>\sigma/2[/tex] is given as a integral that you can solve using the error function:

[tex] P(n) = \int_{-\infty}^{-\sigma/2} \rho_n(u)du + \int^{\infty}_{\sigma/2} \rho_n(u)du[/tex]

Then find the smallest n such that P(n)>0.05. Then fix this value of n, and just do another simple integral to get the answer to part b.

Agree?

Torquil
 
Got it now. It comes out n>16 so at least n=16. I used a different method which I will post now.
 
p([tex]\mu[/tex]-([tex]\sigma[/tex]/2)[tex]\leq[/tex][tex]\overline{X}[/tex][tex]\leq[/tex][tex]\mu[/tex]+([tex]\sigma[/tex]/2)>0.95

=p(-[tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2[tex]\leq[/tex]z[tex]\leq[/tex][tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2)>0.95

=[tex]\phi[/tex]([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2) - (1-([tex]\phi[/tex]([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2))>0.95

=2[tex]\phi[/tex]([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2)-1>0.95

=2[tex]\phi[/tex]([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2)>1.95

=[tex]\phi[/tex]([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2)>0.975

=([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2)>([tex]\phi[/tex]-1)(0.975)

=([tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]/2>1.96

=[tex]\sqrt{n}[/tex]>3.92

=n>15.3664

But n is integer
Therefore n>16

The minimum value of n is therefore 16
 

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