Scalar in adjoint representation

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The discussion revolves around the construction of a potential for a scalar field \Phi in the context of breaking the SU(3) gauge group to SU(2) x U(1) via the Higgs mechanism. Participants explore the terms that can be included in the potential, particularly focusing on the cubic and quartic terms, and the invariants associated with the SU(3) group.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a potential of the form V= a Tr(\Phi^{4}) + b (Tr(\Phi^2))^2 + c Tr(\Phi^3) + d Tr(\Phi^2) and questions the inclusion of the cubic term.
  • Another participant suggests that the cubic term should be discarded, arguing that Tr(Φ4) and Tr(Φ2)² are essentially the same invariant for SU(3).
  • A different participant challenges the claim that Tr(Φ4) and Tr(Φ2)² are equivalent, providing a condition under which they could be considered the same.
  • It is noted that cubic terms may break symmetry under reflections, but participants acknowledge that including such terms is permissible if symmetry breaking is desired.
  • Discussion includes the formation of invariants, with one participant explaining how to construct quadratic and cubic invariants for SU(3), specifically mentioning the Casimir invariant.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of forming quartic invariants and questions whether terms with coefficients d^{ijk} d^{klm} could yield \Phi^4 terms.
  • One participant emphasizes that SU(3) has only two independent Casimir invariants, suggesting that further exploration of additional invariants is not productive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the inclusion and equivalence of certain terms in the potential, particularly regarding the cubic term and the relationship between Tr(Φ4) and Tr(Φ2)². The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the matter.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of their arguments based on the algebraic structure of SU(3) and the specific forms of invariants available, indicating that the discussion is contingent on these definitions and relationships.

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Hello, people.

I'm studying (as an exercise) the breaking of an SU(3) gauge group to SU(2) x U(1) via a Higgs mechanism. The scalar responsible for the breaking is \Phi, who transforms under the adjoint representation of SU(3) (an octet). First of all I want to construct the most general potential for this scalar. So far I've got:

V= a Tr(\Phi^{4}) + b (Tr(\Phi^2))^2 + c Tr(\Phi^3) + d Tr(\Phi^2).

Is the cubic term supposed to be there or is there a reason for it to disappear? I've been looking in the literature for examples of this kind of terms in potentials but I couldn't find any. I know that it would destabilize the vacuum, but there are quartic terms and therefore there are bound states and thus the vacuum is stable. If I want to minimize this potential my answer would depend on the sign of "c", wouldn't it?

Of course, I'm taking "a" and "b" positive while "d" is negative.

Cheers and thanks a lot.
 
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MManuel Abad said:
V= a Tr(\Phi^{4}) + b (Tr(\Phi^2))^2 + c Tr(\Phi^3) + d Tr(\Phi^2).
There's only two invariants for SU(3), one of them quadratic, the other cubic. Consequently your first term should be discarded. Tr(Φ4) and Tr(Φ2)2 are basically the same thing.
 
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Are they really the same thing?
Only in the case in which:

Suppose the matrix to have diagonal elements h_{ii}
They are the same if:
\sum_{i} h_{ii}^{4} = (\sum_{i}h_{ii}^{2})^{2}
Maybe this holds? why?

As for the cubic term, it's not so common to take in account cubic terms in the lagrangians because they are somehow destroying the symmetry under reflections:
Φ \rightarrow -Φ
In general if you want to break this symmetry, nothing stops you from taking this kind of terms into account.
 
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The field Φ is said to be an SU(3) octet. That's Φi, i=1,...,8. There's one way to form an SU(3) invariant which is quadratic, namely δijΦiΦj. That's the Casimir invariant, which could be written Tr(Φ2).

How do you form a cubic invariant? In SU(3) there's one way to do that, namely dijkΦiΦjΦk.

Ok, now try to form an SU(3) invariant which is quartic. ΦiΦjΦkΦl times what? The only available things you can multiply this by are δijδkl or δikδjl or δilδjk. They all lead to the same thing: just the Casimir invariant squared.
 
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Bill_K said:
Ok, now try to form an SU(3) invariant which is quartic. ΦiΦjΦkΦl times what? The only available things you can multiply this by are δijδkl or δikδjl or δilδjk. They all lead to the same thing: just the Casimir invariant squared.

What about terms with coefficients d^{ijk} d^{klm}? Wouldn't they be able to produce \Phi^4 terms as well? Or does this contraction also have an expression in terms of \delta^{ij}'s? If that is the case, do you happen to know it?
 
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Almost all useful relations of the algebraic structure of SU(N) are listed below:
<br /> [ T_{ a } , T_{ b } ] = i f_{ a b c } T_{ c } , \ \ \ \ \ (1)<br />
<br /> \{ T_{ a } , T_{ b } \} = \frac{ 1 }{ N } \delta_{ a b } I_{ N } + d_{ a b c } T_{ c } , \ \ \ (2)<br />
where I_{ N } is the N-dimensional unit matrix. The f_{ a b c } are antisymmetric and the d_{ a b c } symmetric under the interchange of any two indices.

Traces:

<br /> \mbox{ Tr } ( T_{ a } ) = 0, \ \ \mbox{ Tr } ( T_{ a } T_{ b } T_{ c } ) = \frac{ 1 }{ 4 } ( d_{ a b c } + i f_{ a b c } ) , \ \ \ (3)<br />
<br /> \mbox{ Tr } ( T_{ a } T_{ b } ) = \frac{ 1 }{ 2 } \delta_{ a b }, \ \ \mbox{ Tr } ( T_{ a } T_{ b } T_{ a } T_{ c } ) = - \frac{ 1 }{ 4 N } \delta_{ b c }, \ \ (4)<br />
<br /> 2 T_{ a } T_{ b } = \frac{ 1 }{ N } \delta_{ a b } I_{ N } + ( d_{ a b c } + i f_{ a b c } ) T_{ c }, \ \ \ (5)<br />
<br /> 2 ( T_{ a } )_{ i j } ( T_{ a } )_{ k l } = \delta_{ i l } \delta_{ j k } - \frac{ 1 }{ N } \delta_{ i j } \delta_{ k l } . \ \ \ \ (6)<br />

Useful matrices for the N^{ 2 } – 1 dimensional adjoint representation:

<br /> ( F_{ a } )_{ b c } = - i f_{ a b c }, \ \ ( D_{ a } )_{ b c } = d_{ a b c } . \ \ \ (7)<br />

The Jacobi identities:

f_{ a b e } f_{ e c d } + f_{ c b e } f_{ a e d } + f_{ d b e } f_{ a c e } = 0 , \ \ \ \ (8a)
f_{ a b e } d_{ e c d } + f_{ c b e } d_{ a e d } + f_{ d b e } d_{ a c e } = 0 , \ \ \ (8b)
or equivalently
[ F_{ a } , F_{ b } ] = i f_{ a b c } F_{ c } , \ \ \ \ (9a)
[ F_{ a } , D_{ b } ] = i f_{ a b c } D_{ c } . \ \ \ \ (9b)

Contractions and more traces:

<br /> f_{ a b e } f_{ c d e } = \frac{ 2 }{ N } ( \delta_{ a c } \delta_{ b d } - \delta_{ a d } \delta_{ b c } ) + ( d_{ a c e } d_{ b d e } - d_{ b c e } d_{ a d e } ), \ \ (10)<br />
f_{ a b b } = 0, \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ \mbox{ Tr } ( F_{ a } ) = 0 , \ \ (11a)
d_{ a b b } = 0, \ \ \Rightarrow \ \ \mbox{ Tr } ( D_{ a } ) = 0 , \ \ (11b)
f_{ a c d } f_{ b c d } = N \delta_{ a b }, \Rightarrow \mbox{ Tr } ( F_{ a } F_{ b } ) = N \delta_{ a b } , \ \ (12a)
F_{ a } F_{ a } = N I_{ N^{ 2 } - 1 } , \ \ \ (12b)
<br /> f_{ a c d } d_{ b c d } = 0 , \ \mbox{ Tr } ( F_{ a } D_{ b } ) = 0 , \ \ F_{ a } D_{ a } = 0 , \ \ \ (13)<br />
d_{ a c d } d_{ b c d } = \frac{ N^{ 2 } - 4 }{ N } \delta_{ a b }, \ \ \ (14a)
\mbox{ Tr } ( D_{ a } D_{ b } ) = \frac{ N^{ 2 } - 4 }{ N } \delta_{ a b } \ \ (14b)
D_{ a } D_{ a } = \frac{ N^{ 2 } - 4 }{ N } I_{ N^{ 2 } - 1 } , \ \ \ \ (14c)
\mbox{ Tr } ( F_{ a } F_{ b } F_{ c } ) = \frac{ i N }{ 2 } f_{ a b c } \ \ \ (15a)
\mbox{ Tr } ( D_{ a } F_{ b } F_{ c } ) = \frac{ N }{ 2 } d_{ a b c } , \ \ \ (15b)
\mbox{ Tr } ( D_{ a } D_{ b } F_{ c } ) = i \frac{ N^{ 2 } - 4 }{ 2 N } f_{ a b c } , \ \ (15c)
\mbox{ Tr } ( D_{ a } D_{ b } D_{ c } ) = \frac{ N^{ 2 } - 12 }{ 2 N } d_{ a b c } , \ \ (15d)

And finally my favourite

\mbox{ Tr } ( F_{ a } F_{ b } F_{ a } F_{ c } ) = \frac{ N^{ 2 } }{ 2 } \delta_{ b c } . \ \ \ (16)

Sam
 
SU(3) is a rank two Lie group, and so we know there can only be two independent Casimir invariants. So it's not profitable to spend time looking for a third one. Any other invariant we form is guaranteed to be algebraically dependent on those two.

MManuel Abad said:
What about terms with coefficients d^{ijk} d^{klm}? Wouldn't they be able to produce \Phi^4 terms as well? Or does this contraction also have an expression in terms of \delta^{ij}'s? If that is the case, do you happen to know it?
See Eq. (3.10) of this paper.
 
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Wooow! Thank you so much all, this was so complete!
 

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