Sealing Rotating Rod: Efficient Solution?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of sealing a rotating rod passing through a fluid-filled cylinder while maintaining efficiency and preventing leakage. Participants explore various sealing solutions, including lip seals, dynamic o-ring seals, and ferrofluidic seals, while considering the implications of friction and pressure conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the need for a sealing solution that allows a rod to rotate within a fluid-filled cylinder without leakage, while also minimizing friction.
  • Another participant suggests lip seals as a potential solution, noting their low resistance when lubricated by the fluid.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of lip seals under high pressure conditions, particularly in applications like compressors.
  • Some participants propose dynamic o-ring seals as an alternative, asking for specific operational requirements.
  • Ferrofluidic seals are mentioned as a solution for high vacuum applications, with a request for more details on the pumpout technique used in dual seal systems.
  • There is a suggestion that 'O' rings made from suitable materials could be effective inside the cylinder.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of opinions on sealing methods, with no consensus reached on the most efficient solution. Different sealing options are discussed, but the effectiveness of each under varying conditions remains uncertain.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific applications and conditions, such as high pressure and RPM, but do not resolve the implications of these factors on the sealing solutions proposed.

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Individuals interested in mechanical engineering, fluid dynamics, and sealing technologies may find this discussion relevant.

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Imagine a solid rod passing through a cylinder filled with a fluid at certain pressure -

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The yellow part inside in the fluid, the cylinder has been made transparent for ease.

To make the fluid not leak, the sealing of the rod and cylinder should be completely sealed...this has been done, but rod cannot be rotated in this situation independent of the cylinder.

If it has to be rotated, there should be a friction lining on the sealing which will allow the rod to rotate yet maintain the sealing; but this way is inefficient, i.e since there's friction, there will be a resistance to the rotation of the rod and the sealing with degrade with time as the rod continues to rotate.

So is there any efficient way known to do the same as above; for example with bearing so as to reduce friction?
 

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Lip seals offer very little resistance since they require being lubricated by the fluid you are sealing. I would suggest looking into them.
 
Too bad we don't have a wiki article on that.

I'll have a look.

But it's not that much of fool proof right...I mean if the pressure is too high, like in a compressor, it's resistance will too increase.
 
Can you specify the requirements the seal will have to operate under? I have used lip seals under a lot of different applications.

You could also look at a dynamic o-ring seal.
 
FredGarvin said:
Can you specify the requirements the seal will have to operate under? I have used lip seals under a lot of different applications.

You could also look at a dynamic o-ring seal.

For instance replacement of a centrifugal pump with a 'fan based' pump...just one small example.
 
Bob S said:
Some high vacuum applications for rotating feedthroughs use a ferrofluidic seal. See
http://www.ferrotec.com/products/ferrofluidic/
Other solutions use dual seals on each end with a pumpout between them.

That ferrotec one, but it works only a magnetic fluid right?


Can I get a bit more detail about that pumpout technique?
 
dE_logics said:
For instance replacement of a centrifugal pump with a 'fan based' pump...just one small example.

I meant in terms of pressure difference across the seal and shaft RPM.
 
Any variation.

Similar to what is in a compressor.
 
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So the RPM will be very high.
 
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'O' Rings inside the cylinder of adequate material would work.

Tom
 
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