Second Order Differential Equation - Can't solve

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The discussion revolves around a second-order differential equation given by x'' - m2x - m2b = 0, where m and b are constants. Participants are exploring the methods to solve this equation and clarifying the correct form of the solution.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding the characteristic equation and the nature of its solutions, questioning the format of the solution provided in the textbook. There is confusion regarding the signs in the equation and the implications for the types of solutions (exponential vs. trigonometric).

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on the nature of the solutions and the relationship between different forms of the general solution. Some participants are revisiting their understanding of complex roots and the use of Euler's identity, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the equation's form.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of an inhomogeneous equation and the need to find a particular solution, which introduces additional complexity to the discussion. Participants are also reflecting on their past learning experiences and how they relate to the current problem.

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Homework Statement


The equation is
x'' - m2x - m2b = 0.

m and b are constants. x'' is the second derivative of x, with respect to time.

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When I did a differential equations course, I was taught to find the characteristic equation of the differential equation, then solve that. I tried it, but obviously it gave me an answer that was e to the power of something.

Which is not in the right format. How did the book do this? Can anyone get me started?
 
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x=a+Acos(wt + B) doesn't solve that equation. It does solve x''+ w^2*x-w^2*a=0. Is there a typo?
 
Oh sorry, that negative should be a positive. The equation you gave is the correct one.
 
jumbogala said:
Oh sorry, that negative should be a positive. The equation you gave is the correct one.

If it's positive then the real solutions to x''+w^2*x=0 aren't exponentials, are they?
 
They aren't? (Sorry it's been a long time since I did differential equations. I can't remember methods to solve very well.)

Ok so I am remembering now that I have to find a solution to the homogeneous equation x'' + w^2*x = 0 first. So this has complex roots?

My old notes show that the solution should be in the form of e multiplied by a cos or sin still though.
 
D^2+w^2=0 has complex roots. D=iw and -iw. So complex solutions are e^(iwt) and e^(-iwt). What kind of real solution do those produce? Is it coming back yet?
 
You can use euler's identity: e^(iwt) = cos(wt) + isin(wt)

So I could try a general solution of that form. Like Acos(wt) + Bsin(wt) and use that.

The book's solution was x=a+Acos(wt + B), so if A and a are constants of integration this should work. I'm not sure where B comes from though, or if I have to include the i in front of the sin in my general solution.
 
It is an inhomogeneous equation. It can be rewritten as:

<br /> x&#039;&#039; - m^{2} \, x = m^{2} b<br />

The corresponding homogeneous equation is:

<br /> x&#039;&#039; - m^{2} \, x = 0<br />

What is the general solution of this equation?

A particular solution of the inhomogeneous equation is a constant:

<br /> x_{p}(t) = A<br />

What value of A satisfies the equation?
 
jumbogala said:
You can use euler's identity: e^(iwt) = cos(wt) + isin(wt)

So I could try a general solution of that form. Like Acos(wt) + Bsin(wt) and use that.

The book's solution was x=a+Acos(wt + B), so if A and a are constants of integration this should work. I'm not sure where B comes from though, or if I have to include the i in front of the sin in my general solution.

Yes, the general to the homogeneous solution is Acos(wt)+Bsin(wt). If you use the identity cos(a+b)=cos(a)cos(b)-sin(a)sin(b) on Acos(wt+B) you'll see that that form describes the same family of solutions.
 
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Dick said:
Yes, the general solution is Acos(wt)+Bsin(wt). If you use the identity cos(a+b)=cos(a)cos(b)-sin(a)sin(b) on Acos(wt+B) you'll see that that form describes the same family of solutions.

This is not true for the homogeneous equation posted in the op.

EDIT:

Never mind. :p
 

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