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The forum discussion focuses on solving the initial value problem for the second order differential equation \(\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{dy}{dt}+y = t\) with initial conditions \(y(0) = 1\) and \(y'(0) = 0\). The correct solution is established as \(y(t) = 3e^{-t} + 2te^{-t} + t - 2\). The confusion arises regarding the term \(2te^{-t}\), which is clarified by recognizing that a repeated eigenvalue requires an additional solution of the form \(te^{-t}\) in the homogeneous solution.

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Homework Statement



Solve the following initial value problem:

[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{dy}{dt}+y = t[/itex]

[itex]y(0) = 1, \ y'(0) = 0[/itex]

The correct answer must be: [itex]y(t)=3e^{-t} + 2 t e^{-t} + t -2[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Where did they get the term 2te-t from?

Here's how I've done it so far:

We can find the general solution of the corresponding homogeneous system:

[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{dy}{dt}+y = 0[/itex]

[itex]\frac{d^2 e^{st}}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{de^{st}}{dt}+e^{st} = (s^2 + 2s +1) e^{st} =0[/itex]

[itex](s+1)(s+1) \implies s=-1[/itex]

So we have a repeated eigenvalue. Solution to the homogeneous equation is

[itex]y_h= C_1 e^{-t}[/itex]

Now we must find a particular solution, I chose yp=t-2, since we it is a solution of the nonhomogeneous equation. Therefore the solution is

y = yh + yp = C1 e-t + t - 2

Now I can use the given initial values to work out C1:

y' = -C1e-t + 1

y(0) = C1 - 2 = 1 ⇒ C1 = 3

y'(0) = -C1+1 = 0

I get y = 3e-t + t - 2, but there must be another coefficient so we can solve two equations in two unknowns. But how do we get the term 2te-t? Even if I wrote the repeated eigenvalue twice C1e-t + C2e-t, I still don't get the term 2te-t. So what's the problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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roam said:

Homework Statement



Solve the following initial value problem:

[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{dy}{dt}+y = t[/itex]

[itex]y(0) = 1, \ y'(0) = 0[/itex]

The correct answer must be: [itex]y(t)=3e^{-t} + 2 t e^{-t} + t -2[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Where did they get the term 2te-t from?

Here's how I've done it so far:

We can find the general solution of the corresponding homogeneous system:

[itex]\frac{d^2y}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{dy}{dt}+y = 0[/itex]

[itex]\frac{d^2 e^{st}}{dt^2} + 2 \frac{de^{st}}{dt}+e^{st} = (s^2 + 2s +1) e^{st} =0[/itex]

[itex](s+1)(s+1) \implies s=-1[/itex]

So we have a repeated eigenvalue. Solution to the homogeneous equation is

[itex]y_h= C_1 e^{-t}[/itex]
No, this is only one solution, and you need two. In cases like this where there is a repeated root of the characteristic equation, you get another solution by multiplying by t.

So two solutions of the homogeneous equation are
[itex]\{e^{-t}, te^{-t}\}[/itex]

The solution to the homogeneous equation would be all linear combinations of the above; ##y_h= C_1 e^{-t} + C_2t e^{-t}##
roam said:
Now we must find a particular solution, I chose yp=t-2, since we it is a solution of the nonhomogeneous equation. Therefore the solution is

y = yh + yp = C1 e-t + t - 2

Now I can use the given initial values to work out C1:

y' = -C1e-t + 1

y(0) = C1 - 2 = 1 ⇒ C1 = 3

y'(0) = -C1+1 = 0

I get y = 3e-t + t - 2, but there must be another coefficient so we can solve two equations in two unknowns. But how do we get the term 2te-t? Even if I wrote the repeated eigenvalue twice C1e-t + C2e-t, I still don't get the term 2te-t. So what's the problem?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

A better particular solution to the nonhomogeneous problem would be yp = A + Bt
 
Oh I see, that makes perfect sense to me know. Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it.
 

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