Second Shift Theorem: Integral Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the second shift theorem in the context of Laplace transforms, specifically addressing the integral of the function \( g(p+a) \) multiplied by \( e^{-sp} \) and its relation to the Laplace transform of \( g(t+a) \). Participants are exploring the implications of variable substitution within the integral and the conditions under which the theorem applies.

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  • Participants are attempting to understand why the integral of \( e^{-sp} g(p+a) \) does not directly equal the integral of \( e^{-sp} g(t) \) and how it relates to the Laplace transform of \( g(t+a) \). There are inquiries about the role of substitution and the limits of integration in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the substitution process and the need to adjust limits of integration. Some participants are questioning their understanding of the function \( g \) and its treatment within the integral, while others are clarifying the steps necessary to progress in the problem.

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There is mention of needing to ensure that integrals are evaluated from zero to infinity, and participants are navigating the implications of the Heaviside function in relation to the Laplace transform. Some constraints regarding the treatment of functions and the nature of the variables involved are being discussed.

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for the alternative form of second shift property (4.8) , why he integral of (e^-sp) g(p+a) dp isn't equal to integral of (e^-sp) g(t) dp ? why it will become L{ g(t+a) } ?

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Would you mind showing more work explaining your reasoning?
I imagine the answer is either in the endpoints of your integrals or the substitution.

Straight off, from your question, for ##t = p+a##
##\int e^{-sp}g(p+a) dp = \int e^{-sp}g(t) dp##
but you can't do much with that...complete the substitution to change the whole integral into one with only dependence on t and no p's.
 
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RUber said:
Would you mind showing more work explaining your reasoning?
I imagine the answer is either in the endpoints of your integrals or the substitution.

Straight off, from your question, for ##t = p+a##
##\int e^{-sp}g(p+a) dp = \int e^{-sp}g(t) dp##
but you can't do much with that...complete the substitution to change the whole integral into one with only dependence on t and no p's.
ya , why not the final ans not L {g(p+a)} ?
 
Write out the steps with the limits of integration. Do the substitutions where appropriate to make sure the new integrals are from zero to infinity.
 
RUber said:
Write out the steps with the limits of integration. Do the substitutions where appropriate to make sure the new integrals are from zero to infinity.
is my working until here correct ?
 

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It looks like you are treating g(p+a) as a multiplication. g(x) is a function.
Also, when you do substitutions within integrals, you have to change the limits as well.

For example:
Substituting ##t = p+a\quad p = t-a\quad p=0 \implies t = a##
##\int_0^\infty e^{-sp}g(p+a) dp = \int_{a}^\infty e^{-s(t-a)}g(t) dt##
Does that make sense?
 
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RUber said:
It looks like you are treating g(p+a) as a multiplication. g(x) is a function.
Also, when you do substitutions within integrals, you have to change the limits as well.

For example:
Substituting ##t = p+a\quad p = t-a\quad p=0 \implies t = a##
##\int_0^\infty e^{-sp}g(p+a) dp = \int_{a}^\infty e^{-s(t-a)}g(t) dt##
Does that make sense?
i gt stucked here , how to continue?
 

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You are looking to show that ##\mathcal{L}\{ g(t) \mathcal{H}(t-a) \} = e^{-as}\mathcal{L}\{ g(t+a)\}.##
Start by expanding the transform:
##\mathcal{L}\{ g(t) \mathcal{H}(t-a) \} =\int_0^\infty e^{-st}g(t) \mathcal{H}(t-a)dt##
Apply the Heaviside function:
##\qquad \qquad =\int_a^\infty e^{-st}g(t) dt##
Because this integral does not start at 0, we need to shift it with a substitution.
Substitute t = p+a ... p = t-a ... dt = dp ...and where t = a, p = 0 (for the limits of integration).
##\qquad \qquad =\int_0^\infty e^{-s(p+a)}g(p+a) dp=\int_0^\infty e^{-sp-sa}g(p+a) dp##
Since a and s are not variables inside the integral, you can move them to the outside:
##\qquad \qquad =e^{-as} \int_0^\infty e^{-sp}g(p+a) dp.##
In this form you can see that this is the same as
## e^{-as}\mathcal{L}\{ g(p+a)\}## but since p could be any letter, you can name it t.
This will give you what you want to show:
##\mathcal{L}\{ g(t) \mathcal{H}(t-a) \} = e^{-as}\mathcal{L}\{ g(t+a)\}.##
 
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i gt stucked here , how to continue?
Two things I noticed in your post #7...
1) There is no need to do integration by parts on this.
2) You did not distribute properly in your exponential: -s(t-a) = -st+sa.
 
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