Self and Mutual Inductance in a Toroid

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The discussion revolves around calculating self and mutual inductance in a toroidal setup, specifically focusing on two coils with given parameters. The original poster presents a problem involving induced EMF and energy storage in the context of changing currents.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the implications of continuous currents on induced EMF, questioning how to approach calculations when time derivatives are not provided. There is a discussion about whether mutual inductance plays a role in the energy calculations.

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Some participants have offered guidance on calculating the energy stored in the coils, suggesting that mutual inductance may not be relevant under certain conditions. Others are considering the relationship between induced EMF and the work done against it as currents change.

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Participants note the lack of time information for the changing currents, which complicates the use of standard inductance formulas. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the exploration of certain concepts.

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URGENT!: Self and mutual inductance

Homework Statement


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a) Calculate L1, L2 and M for the coils in the following toroid (using thin toroid condition), the induced EMF in the second coil and the polarity.

N1 = 500
N2 = 200
I1 = (20 + 0.2 t/s)A
S = 3 cm2
rM = 5 cm
\mur = 1200

b) If now there's a current I2 = 2A through coil 2 from top to bottom, and I1 = 20A, calculate the induced EMF in each coil and the stored energy in the toroid.


The Attempt at a Solution



I can find all I'm asked for in a). There's no problem there. But in b) I can't see how there's going to be an induced EMF is the currents are continuous. I know that they actually rise from 0 to I2 and I1 in a period of time, but I'm not given that time. Therefor I can't use that {\varepsilon _1} = - {L_1}\frac{{d{I_1}}}{{dt}} - {M_{21}}\frac{{d{I_2}}}{{dt}} or that {\varepsilon _2} = - {L_2}\frac{{d{I_2}}}{{dt}} - {M_{12}}\frac{{d{I_1}}}{{dt}}. Also, because there are two different currents going through each coil, I can't think of it in terms of an equivalent inductance Leq.

What do I do?
 
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libelec said:
I can find all I'm asked for in a). There's no problem there. But in b) I can't see how there's going to be an induced EMF is the currents are continuous.
There isn't. If dI/dt = 0 there are no induced voltage/currents. So all you have to do is determine the energy stored in the magnetic field due to the currents in each coil. This is a function of L and the current. Mutual inductance would be irrelevant.

AM
 


So what I have to do is to calculate U as the sum of the energies stored in each coil?

Thank you.
 


libelec said:
So what I have to do is to calculate U as the sum of the energies stored in each coil?
Think of the energy stored in the coil as the work done against the induced emf as the current builds up from 0 to the final value:

W = \int_0^{I_f} Pdt = \int_0^{I_f} \varepsilon i dt

Write out the expression for the emf in the integral for each coil to find the energy of the magnetic field for each coil. The total energy is the sum of the two integrals.

I may have overstated it in saying that mutual inductance is irrelevant because the mutual inductance does determine the induced emf as the current builds up. But I think the two mutual inductance terms cancel each other out and you are left with just the self inductance terms. Work it out and see.

AM
 

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