Semantic question about equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around the semantics of the term "static equilibrium" in the context of motion and acceleration. Participants explore whether a body can be considered in static equilibrium if it experiences acceleration in one direction while having no acceleration in an orthogonal direction. The conversation touches on definitions and implications of equilibrium in both theoretical and practical contexts.

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  • Some participants question whether "static equilibrium" can apply if there is acceleration in one direction but none in another, suggesting that static implies no movement or acceleration at all.
  • Others propose that while static equilibrium typically refers to a lack of movement, one can still analyze forces in a direction where acceleration is zero, which might resemble an equilibrium condition.
  • A participant suggests that the conditions for static equilibrium could be met in one dimension even if a body is in motion in another dimension, citing specific mathematical conditions.
  • There is a discussion about the utility of the term "static equilibrium" in cases where there is neither velocity nor acceleration, with some participants indicating that the distinction may not be significant in practical terms.
  • One participant introduces the concept of rectilinear motion when considering motion confined to two spatial directions, noting that motion in a plane would have zero velocity and acceleration in the direction perpendicular to that plane.

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Participants express differing views on the definition and application of "static equilibrium," with no consensus reached on whether the term can apply under the discussed conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the semantic implications of the term.

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Participants highlight the potential ambiguity in definitions and the importance of context when discussing equilibrium, particularly in multi-dimensional motion scenarios.

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If a body experiences acceleration in one direction and no acceleration in another (orthogonal) direction, is it accurate to state that the body is in static equilibrium in one direction only? Or is static reserved for strictly no acceleration in any direction? Apologies if this seems pedantic!
 
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I'd go further and say that "static equilibrium" is reserved for things that aren't moving, much less accelerating. Nonetheless, you can certainly apply Newton's law in any direction: if the acceleration in a given direction is zero, the sum of the forces in that direction will be zero. (Kind of an "equilibrium" condition, but I wouldn't call it static.)
 
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Doc Al said:
I'd go further and say that "static equilibrium" is reserved for things that aren't moving, much less accelerating. Nonetheless, you can certainly apply Newton's law in any direction: if the acceleration in a given direction is zero, the sum of the forces in that direction will be zero. (Kind of an "equilibrium" condition, but I wouldn't call it static.)

I agree with everything that you say, however if for instance a ball moves across a horizontal surface in some arbitrary motion, when we consider solely the vertical direction we can still write ##y = k##, ##y' = 0## and ##y''=0##, which appears to be precisely the conditions for static equilibrium in this one dimension.
 
What would be the advantage of using the term static equilibrium in that case? (Though I do see your point.)
 
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Doc Al said:
What would be the advantage of using the term static equilibrium in that case? (Though I do see your point.)

Now that I think about it, probably none at all! To me it just seems like a succinct way of stating that there is neither velocity nor acceleration in a particular direction, which is slightly more constrained than just no acceleration.

In practice, the semantic distinction is probably not so important (i.e. common sense prevails), as you suggest!
 
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etotheipi said:
To me it just seems like a succinct way of stating that there is neither velocity nor acceleration in a particular direction, which is slightly more constrained than just no acceleration.

Are you thinking of only two spatial directions? If so, the term used for that is rectilinear motion.

Note that in general, any motion confined to a plane would have zero velocity and zero acceleration in the direction perpendicular to that plane.
 
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