Separating angular and linear momentum

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The discussion centers on the separation of angular and linear momentum in systems such as an inverted pendulum, specifically analyzing the mechanics of a leaning rod. Participants explore the relationship between ground reaction force (GRF) and the forces acting on the center of mass (COM) of the rod during its motion. Key points include the assertion that GRF does not equal the weight of the rod when it is leaning, and the importance of considering both angular and linear components when calculating motion. The conversation emphasizes the need for precise calculations to understand the dynamics of running and the effects of gravity on linear acceleration.

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  • Understanding of angular momentum and linear momentum concepts
  • Familiarity with ground reaction force (GRF) and its implications in mechanics
  • Knowledge of Newton's laws of motion, particularly the third law
  • Basic principles of torque and rotational dynamics
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  • #31
Do I need to add more of my working to make it clearer to follow?
 
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  • #32
simbil said:
Finally got around to this again and I have worked out what may be a solution.

So, following your advice to find the velocity of the centre of mass as a function of angle:

We know that the energy E is constant such that the gravitic potential and kinetic are constant so E = mgh - 0.5mv^2

Before the rod falls, v is zero and h of COM = 1m, unit mass, so,

E = g

Therefore, g = mgh - 0.5mv^2
g = gh - 0.5v^2

Height can be expressed as a function of angle as h = rcosθ = cosθ, so,

g = gcosθ - 0.5v^2

and so the velocity as a function of angle is,

v^2 = 2g - 2gcosθ

If I am correct so far, the next step is to calculate the radial acceleration = v^2/r = v^2, so,

radial a = 2g - 2gcosθ

Tangential acceleration has already been calculated for the example as 0.75gsinθ
Looks good.

Total acceleration horizontally = tangential.cosθ - radial.cosθ
Almost. The horizontal component of the radial acceleration would be -radial.sinθ.


a = 0.75gsinθcosθ - cosθ(2g - 2gcosθ)

Unit mass so applying F= ma, horizontal force = 0.75gsinθcosθ - cosθ(2g - 2gcosθ)

Putting numbers into there gives results in line with what I would expect - is it right..?
Correct the above and you've got it.

simbil said:
Do I need to add more of my working to make it clearer to follow?
Nope. Just took me a while to get around to it. :smile:
 
  • #33
Thanks Doc Al, appreciate your guidance.



horizontal force = 0.75gsinθcosθ - sinθ(2g - 2gcosθ)
 

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