Why isn't Un the derivative of Sn in sequence and derivative?

In summary, the derivative of a function with respect to x is a continuous measure of change, while the formula for the nth term (Un) is a discrete measure of change. This is because the derivative is calculated using the limit of the slope of small changes in x, while Un is calculated using the difference between values of x. The two may appear similar when h=1, but they are not the same.
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I see that derivative of y with respect to x is just like the ratio of y over x.
But, Why Un (the formula to find nth term) is not the derivative of Sn (the sum of sequence formula) ??

For example,

1 2 5 10 -> y = x2+1
+1 +3 +5 -> y= 2x-1
+2 +2 -> y=2

I think that the second level is 2x (since it's the derivative of y = x2+1), but it's not...
Derivative of y with respect to x is just like how much y will gain with x gaining, right ?

Is there any way or formula to correlate the derivative of Sn with Un ??
 
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terryds said:
I see that derivative of y with respect to x is just like the ratio of y over x.
But, Why Un (the formula to find nth term) is not the derivative of Sn (the sum of sequence formula) ??

For example,

1 2 5 10 -> y = x2+1
+1 +3 +5 -> y= 2x-1
+2 +2 -> y=2

I think that the second level is 2x (since it's the derivative of y = x2+1), but it's not...
Derivative of y with respect to x is just like how much y will gain with x gaining, right ?

Is there any way or formula to correlate the derivative of Sn with Un ??

The derivative is a continuous measure of change. You are comparing it with discrete changes between ##x = 0, 1, 2 \ \dots##

The function ##y = x^2 + 1## is a smooth curve. You are effectively joining up the points ##(0, 1), (1, 2), (2, 5)## with straight lines. That is the difference.

If, instead, you took ##x = 2, 4, 6 \dots## or ##x = 10, 20, 30 \dots## you would find a bigger discrepancy between the derivative at a point and the slope of the straight line to the next point.

Or, if you took ##x = 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 \dots## you would find the slope of the straight lines to be closer to the derivative.

The smaller you take the difference between values of ##x##, the closer you will get to the derivative. The derivative is, in fact, the limit of the slope of these straight lines as the difference between your points get arbitrarily small.
 
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terryds said:
I see that derivative of y with respect to x is just like the ratio of y over x.
No, it isn't. The derivative of y with respect to x is the ratio of change in y over change in x. IOW, ##\frac{dy}{dx} = \lim_{\Delta x \to 0} \frac {\Delta y}{\Delta x}##, one of several formulations for this derivative.
 
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We have U(n) = S(n+1) - S(n)
which looks similar to the derivative
dy/dx = lim (h->0) of (y(x+h) - y(x)) /h
In fact it is the same expression when h=1
 
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What is a sequence?

A sequence is a list of numbers or objects that follow a specific pattern or rule. Each element in the sequence is called a term and is represented by a specific notation, such as an where n is the term number.

What is a derivative?

A derivative is a mathematical concept that represents the rate of change of a function at a specific point. It is calculated by finding the slope of the tangent line to the function at that point.

How are sequences and derivatives related?

Sequences and derivatives are related because derivatives can be used to find the general term of a sequence. The derivative of a sequence is a function that represents the rate of change of the sequence at each term.

What is the difference between a finite and infinite sequence?

A finite sequence has a limited number of terms, while an infinite sequence has an unlimited number of terms. In other words, a finite sequence has an ending point, while an infinite sequence does not.

What are some real-life applications of sequences and derivatives?

Sequences and derivatives are used in various fields, including physics, engineering, economics, and computer science. They are commonly used to model real-life situations, such as population growth, interest rates, and motion of objects.

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