Sequence and Series, finding relationship

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The discussion revolves around a sequence and series problem involving two sequences defined by recursive relations. The original poster presents the sequences \(X_{n+1} = \frac{X_n + Y_n}{2}\) and \(Y_{n+1} = \sqrt{X_n Y_n}\) with initial conditions \(0 < y_0 < x_0\). The goal is to find the relationship between the two sequences as they converge.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the sequences and their limits, questioning how to simplify the recursive definitions into a single variable. There are suggestions to substitute one equation into the other and to visualize the behavior of the sequences graphically.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of the sequences, including their behavior, potential limits, and whether they converge to the same value. Some guidance has been offered regarding the comparison of the sequences and their properties, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of explicit equations or definitions for \(X\) and \(Y\) in the initial problem statement, which has led to some confusion among participants. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to approach finding the limit of the sequences.

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Homework Statement



0<y0<x0
x1=(x0+y0)/2
y1=[tex]\sqrt{x0y0}[/tex]

in general
Xn+1=(xn+yn)/2
Yn+1=[tex]\sqrt{XnYn}[/tex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea
I tried to solve for Xn and substituting that into another equation...
however, I don't know how to simplify it down to one single variable...

How do I take the limit of the sequence, so that I can find the relationship
 
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Please state the problem as it is given.
 
the problem was given that way, we are trying to find the relationship between X and y
 
take the general equations and sub one into the other is all i can suggest
 
mkwok said:
the problem was given that way, we are trying to find the relationship between X and y
Since there was NO X or Y in what you gave, I don't see how that can be true.
 
mkwok said:

Homework Statement



0<y0<x0
x1=(x0+y0)/2
y1=[tex]\sqrt{x0y0}[/tex]

in general
Xn+1=(xn+yn)/2
Yn+1=[tex]\sqrt{XnYn}[/tex]

Homework Equations



none

The Attempt at a Solution



I have no idea
I tried to solve for Xn and substituting that into another equation...
however, I don't know how to simplify it down to one single variable...

How do I take the limit of the sequence, so that I can find the relationship

Hmm, I think I got what you mean.

Given 0 < y0 < x0, the sequence (xn), and (yn) are defined as follow:

[tex]x_{n + 1} = \frac{x_n + y_n}{2}, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex] (1)
[tex]y_{n + 1} = \sqrt{x_n y_n}, n \in \mathbb{N}[/tex] (2)

Now find the limit of xn, and yn (Or does it tell you to prove that the limit of the two sequences are the same?).

Is that the correct problem?

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Ok, now you must at least have a vision of how xn, and yn behave. Draw a pictures like this:

0____y0____________________________x0

Now, we have: x1 = (x0 + y0) / 2, that means, x1 lies exactly at the middle of x0, and y0.

[tex]y_1 = \sqrt{x_0 y_0} > \sqrt{y_0 ^ 2} = y_0[/tex]

You'll also have: [tex]x_1 - y_1 = \frac{x_0 - 2\sqrt{x_0 y_0} + y_0}{2} = \frac{(\sqrt{x_0} - \sqrt{y_0}) ^ 2}{2} > 0[/tex], so x1 > y1.

0____y0____y1_________x1_______________x0

Now, where do x2, and y2 lie?

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So, in conclusion, let's answer some questions:

1. xn, and yn, which is greater?

2. Is (xn) an increase sequence, or a decrease sequence? Can you prove it?

3. Is (yn) an increase sequence, or a decrease sequence? Can you prove it?

4. Are they bounded? Do they have limit?

5. Do they both have the same limit?

Ok, I think you can take it from here. Can you? :)
 
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