Serge Lang: Increasing/Decreasing Function

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the function defined as ##f(x) = -x + \frac{x^3}{3!} + \sin x## for values of ##x \geq 0##. Participants are tasked with determining whether this function is increasing or decreasing based on its derivative, ##f'(x) = -1 + \frac{x^2}{2} + \cos x##.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conditions under which ##f## is increasing or decreasing, focusing on the sign of the derivative. Some express difficulty in handling the trigonometric components of the function. Others suggest examining the behavior of the function over specific intervals, such as ##0 \leq x \leq 2 \pi##, and consider the implications of the Maclaurin series for ##\sin x##.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored. Some participants have suggested that the problem may be leading towards a deeper understanding of series expansions, while others are still grappling with the initial conditions and implications of the derivative.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the original poster feeling demoralized by the challenges posed by trigonometric functions. Additionally, some participants note the importance of visualizing polynomial behavior and the periodic nature of trigonometric functions in understanding the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider only values of ##x \geq 0##, and let ##f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x##. Show whether ##f## is increasing or decreasing.

Homework Equations


f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x
f'(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that ##f## is increasing whe ##f' > 0##, and that ##f## is decreasing when ##f' < 0##. In the first case, I have f&#039;(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x &gt; 0
x^2 + 2 \cos x &gt; 2
|x| &gt; 2|(1- \cos x)|

Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time making any sense of this solution. For some reason, trigonometric functions are the only functions I've dealt with that give me any issue with these types of problems. It's demoralizing, really. Anyway, any help is greatly appreciated, as always!
 
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Cosmophile said:

Homework Statement


Consider only values of ##x \geq 0##, and let ##f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x##. Show whether ##f## is increasing or decreasing.

Homework Equations


f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x
f&#039;(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that ##f## is increasing whe ##f' > 0##, and that ##f## is decreasing when ##f' < 0##. In the first case, I have f&#039;(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x &gt; 0
x^2 + 2 \cos x &gt; 2
|x| &gt; 2|(1- \cos x)|

Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time making any sense of this solution. For some reason, trigonometric functions are the only functions I've dealt with that give me any issue with these types of problems. It's demoralizing, really. Anyway, any help is greatly appreciated, as always!
I don't see that approach as bearing fruit. Have you studied Maclaurin and Taylor series, yet? This problem seems to be aimed in that direction.
Here's the Maclaurin series for sin(x):
$$\sin(x) = x - \frac{x^3}{3!} + \frac{x^5}{5!} -+ \dots + (-1)^n\frac{x^{2n + 1}}{(2n + 1)!} + \dots$$
 
Mark44 said:
I don't see that approach as bearing fruit. Have you studied Maclaurin and Taylor series, yet? This problem seems to be aimed in that direction.
Here's the Maclaurin series for sin(x):
$$\sin(x) = x - \frac{x^3}{3!} + \frac{x^5}{5!} -+ \dots + (-1)^n\frac{x^{2n + 1}}{(2n + 1)!} + \dots$$

I've seen them, but I haven't studied them. I think Lang may be hinting to them for future use, though. Here is the full problem (problem number 11):

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Can you show that f1 in prob. 11a is increasing? It looks like Lang's intent is for you to work through the various subparts of this problem before tackling the inequality in your first post.

BTW, this is definitely leading up to the Maclaurin series for sin(x) and cos(x).
 
Cosmophile said:

Homework Statement


Consider only values of ##x \geq 0##, and let ##f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x##. Show whether ##f## is increasing or decreasing.

Homework Equations


f(x) = -x + \frac {x^3}{3!} + \sin x
f&#039;(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that ##f## is increasing whe ##f' > 0##, and that ##f## is decreasing when ##f' < 0##. In the first case, I have f&#039;(x) = -1 + \frac {x^2}{2} + \cos x &gt; 0
x^2 + 2 \cos x &gt; 2
|x| &gt; 2|(1- \cos x)|

Unfortunately, I'm having a hard time making any sense of this solution. For some reason, trigonometric functions are the only functions I've dealt with that give me any issue with these types of problems. It's demoralizing, really. Anyway, any help is greatly appreciated, as always!

You should first try to determine the behavior of ##f(x)## for ##0 \leq x \leq 2 \pi##. For ##x > 2 \pi## the polynomial part continues to increase, while the ##\sin## part just repeats its behavior on the initial segment.
 
Mark44 said:
Can you show that f1 in prob. 11a is increasing? It looks like Lang's intent is for you to work through the various subparts of this problem before tackling the inequality in your first post.

BTW, this is definitely leading up to the Maclaurin series for sin(x) and cos(x).

f(x) = x - \sin x
f&#039;(x) = 1 - \cos x

##f## is increasing when ##f'>0##, so we have ##1- \cos x > 0 \to 1 \geq \cos x##, which is true ##\forall x \in \mathbb R## because the range of ##\cos x## is ##[-1,1]##.

This is the same method I used on the problem I posted, but the outcome was not nearly as friendly (and also is almost definitely wrong).
 
Ray Vickson said:
You should first try to determine the behavior of ##f(x)## for ##0 \leq x \leq 2 \pi##. For ##x > 2 \pi## the polynomial part continues to increase, while the ##\sin## part just repeats its behavior on the initial segment.

I'm working on establishing that level of intuition; my schooling has always been algorithmic. What tips do you have for doing this? Thanks!
 
Cosmophile said:
I'm working on establishing that level of intuition; my schooling has always been algorithmic. What tips do you have for doing this? Thanks!
I would suggest looking at the graphs of simple polynomials, such as y = x, y = x2, y = x3, and so on, to get a visual feel (as opposed to only algebraic, which is how I interpret your use of "algorithmic") for how these functions behave, both near the origin as well as farther away.

For polynomials with more terms, satisfy yourself that, for large x, the dominant term of y = x3 - 2x2 + 3 (for example) is the x3 term. The larger x is, the less influence the other terms have on the behavior.
 
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Cosmophile said:
I'm working on establishing that level of intuition; my schooling has always been algorithmic. What tips do you have for doing this? Thanks!

Well, if ##p(x) = x^3/3! - x = x^3/6 - x##, then ##p'(x) = x^2 / 2 - 1 > 0## if ##x > \sqrt{2}##. So, since ##\pi/2 > \sqrt{2}##, the function ##p(x)## is strictly increasing for ##x > \pi/2##, which is even stronger than saying for ##x > 2 \pi##. As for the ##\sin## part repeating, that just follows from the fact that the trig functions are periodic, with period ##2 \pi##.

I agree with Mark44, that drawing graphs can be helpful. Looking at a graph may not constitute an actual proof, but it helps you to gain insight and to (sometimes, at least) see what type of "analytical" reasoning might be best.
 

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