Set of all finite subsets of N (real analysis)

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The problem involves demonstrating that the set of all finite subsets of the natural numbers (N) is countable. This falls within the realm of real analysis and set theory.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches, including the use of induction and bijections to establish countability. There is a focus on ensuring that all elements are accounted for in the proposed mappings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to show countability. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Cantor-Schroeder-Bernstein theorem and the concept of binary representation to facilitate the mapping process.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of their assumptions about the countability of finite subsets and the validity of their inductive reasoning. There is a noted concern about the completeness of the arguments presented.

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Homework Statement



Show that the set of all finite subsets of N is a countable set.

The Attempt at a Solution



At first I thought this was really easy. I had A = {B1, B2, B3, ... }, where Bn is some finite subset of N. Since any B is finite and therefore countable, and since a union of finite sets is countable, then the set of all finite subsets is countable. But I'm pretty sure this is false because its sort of assuming that the set A is countable.

So I got to thinking that I could consider a1 to be the set of all finite one-element subsets of N. And then perhaps expand that idea to an+1 to be any of these such sets. From here though, I'm not sure how to prove that the set of all of these subsets is countable.

Im thinking induction, and the basis step is a pretty obvious bijection with N. But I don't know where to go from here.
 
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Try thinking about how you should go about showing your bijection onto N. How would you make sure you didnt miss any elements?
 
Are you familiar with the Cantor-Schroeder-Bernstein theorem? If so this isn’t so bad. Let’s call N'
your set of all finite subsets of N.

N->N'should be trivial

Hint for N’->N. Consider the set Nb' the set of N' in binary format. So {1,3,5} -> {1,11, 101}. Clearly Nb' and N' are bijective.

Is there an easy way to uniquely map every element of Nb' into N by using digits other than “0” and “1”
 
Im trying it with induction.

Let A be the set of all finite subsets of N

Let an , n>=1 be a set of subsets of N each with cardinality of n.

Claim: Any an is countable, so the union from n=0 to infinity of an is countable, and thus A would be countable. Prove by induction.

basis: n=1, a1: N: 1 2 3...
a1: {1}{2}{3}... and we have an obvious bijection.

Inductive hypothesis: Assume an is countable. Show an+1 is countable.

For any set S is an element of an+1, remove an arbitrary element K. The resulting sets are T and P such that T is an element of an, and K is an element of P is an element of a1.

By inductive hypothesis, T is countable. By basis step we know a1 is countable. So the union of T and P is countable, so an+1 is countable. Therefore A is countable.

Does this look right?
 
this step doesn't follow:
So the union of T and P is countable, so an+1 is countable. Therefore A is countable.

The union of T and P is your S, not your an+1
 

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