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The discussion revolves around the theoretical shape of a planet that spins rapidly enough for the outward centripetal force at the equator to nearly balance its gravitational force. Participants explore the implications of this rapid rotation on the planet's shape, particularly in relation to its equatorial and polar dimensions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that such a planet would take the form of a very oblate spheroid, referencing Hal Clement's fictional planet "Mesklin" as an example.
  • Another participant notes that Saturn demonstrates similar characteristics, being less dense than water and having a significant difference between its equatorial and polar circumferences.
  • There is a discussion about the need to consider both gravitational potential and centrifugal force to determine the planet's shape, with one participant highlighting the complexity of this problem.
  • A participant mentions that the gravitational potential is dependent on the shape of the planet, complicating calculations.
  • One participant states that the polar axis must be at least 56% of the equatorial diameter for the planet to maintain a certain symmetry, suggesting potential complications if this condition is not met.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the shape and characteristics of a rapidly spinning planet, with no consensus reached on the specific calculations or implications of the planet's shape.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the dependence of gravitational potential on the planet's shape and the implications of rapid rotation on its structure.

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I had an idea of a planet that was spinning fast enough that at its equator, the outward force from the centripetal force would almost equate the planet's own gravity. However, this would change as you got closer and closer to the poles. I was just wondering what this planet might look like. Unfortunately, I haven't taken calculus yet and don't really know how to calculate what its shape might be.

Any help?
 
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It would be a very oblate spheroid. Hal Clement created something like this for his 1954 novel "Mission of Gravity". He even wrote an essay entitled "Whirligig World" in which he describes how he worked out the particulars of his planet "Mesklin".
 
Indeed, Saturn exhibits this effect most of all our planets.

It is the least dense of all the planets - less dense than water - and its day is less than 11 hours.

Its equatorial circumference is about 10% larger than its polar circumference.
 
TheBigK1d said:
I haven't taken calculus yet and don't really know how to calculate what its shape might be.
You have to add the potential of gravity and centrifugal force. The shape of the planet is a surface of constant combined potential.
 
A.T. said:
You have to add the potential of gravity and centrifugal force. The shape of the planet is a surface of constant combined potential.
Sure, but that's a hard problem. The gravitational potential depends, in turn, on the shape.
http://seismo.berkeley.edu/~rallen/eps122/lectures/L16.pdf gives the strength of gravity at latitude λ as ge(1 + α sin2λ + β sin4λ), where ge is the value at the equator, but does not indicate how α and β depend on rate of spin/oblateness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_bulge#Mathematical_expression provides an expression as a function of spin, but says the formula is only valid for small deviations from the spherical.
 
TheBigK1d said:
I had an idea of a planet that was spinning fast enough that at its equator, the outward force from the centripetal force would almost equate the planet's own gravity. However, this would change as you got closer and closer to the poles. I was just wondering what this planet might look like. Unfortunately, I haven't taken calculus yet and don't really know how to calculate what its shape might be.

Any help?

The polar axis must be at least 56% of the equatorial diameter. After that the planet would be nonaxisymmetric. I don't know what would happen then, but it wouldn't be good.
 
Thanks for the help - I'll check out the book you mentioned
 

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