Should same values of currents be used in Kirchoff's laws?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Kirchhoff's laws in analyzing a circuit with multiple resistors and junctions. Participants explore the relationships between branch currents and the total current, as well as the implications of using Kirchhoff's laws to find these values.

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Main Points Raised

  • The initial post outlines a circuit problem and presents equations derived from Kirchhoff's current and voltage laws, questioning the treatment of negative current values.
  • Some participants suggest that there may be no need to use Kirchhoff's laws if an alternative method yields the same results, but acknowledge the problem's requirement to apply these laws.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between the total current and the current through specific components, with some participants affirming that the source current should match the current in one of the loops.
  • One participant expresses confusion about why the total current is the same as the current in a specific branch, prompting further clarification from others.
  • Participants note that the source and a resistor are in series, leading to a discussion about the nature of circuit components and their arrangement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of Kirchhoff's laws but express differing views on the necessity of using them versus alternative methods. There is no consensus on the treatment of negative current values or the implications of the source current in relation to branch currents.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential confusion regarding the direction of current flow and the treatment of negative values, as well as the implications of simplifying the circuit using equivalent resistances.

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This discussion may be useful for students studying circuit analysis, particularly those learning about Kirchhoff's laws and their application in complex circuits.

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Homework Statement



See above diagram for full details of the circuit

Variables used:

Assumption: direction of current is clockwise and the loops are positive in clockwise as well.

Current through 1000 ohm=i1
Current through 4700 ohm-i2
Current through 2200 ohm=i3
Current through 1200 ohm=i4

Please note there are 2 junctions present across 2200ohm resistor. Thanks!

Problem: we have to find the total current (I) and the branch currents (i1, i2...i4) using Kirchoffs laws.

Homework Equations



Using kicrhoffs current law:

i1=i3+i2
i3+i2=i4

Therefore i1=i4

Using kicrhoffs voltage law:

Loop 1: 12=1000i1+2200i3+1200i1 (since i1=i4)
Loop 2: 0=4700i2+2200i3


The Attempt at a Solution



Loop 1: 12=2200i1+2200i3 (simplification)

But i1=i2+i3

=> 12=2200i2+4400i3

Solving loop 1 and loop 2 eqn's simultaneously gives:

i2=-1/600A (isn't the current supposed to go towards the negative terminal?)

Substitution into loop 1 eq'n gives:

i3=47/13200A

Now the problems:

(1) if i1=i3+i2 then should |i2| be used or i2 to substitute in for the i2 in the equation mentioned?
(2) also having found i2, i1, and i3, then is the summation (with or without modulus of i2?) of these branch currents equal to source current?
(3) assuming the" e.m.f source current ≠ branch currents summation" (as asked in question (2), correct my thinking please); the question is should I simplify the circuit (parallel and series resistors to an equivalent resistor and then using E=IV) and calculate source current using ohms law? I ask this because the question asks for usage of kirchhoffs laws (underlined in the problem) to find branch currents and the source current.
 
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There is no need to use Kirchhoff's laws here, but if the problem statement wants you to use them... well.
Sol_Engineered said:
Loop 2: 0=4700i2+2200i3
If you go around the loop, one current will get a negative sign because . Fix that and everything will work out.

The source current is the current in loop 1, there is no need to add anything.
 
. I checked out that total current (using alternative method) is same as that in I1. I can't seem to make myself clear that why would total current be same as in I1?
 
The source and R1 are in series. What else would you expect?
 
mfb said:
The source and R1 are in series. What else would you expect?
Ah so battery can be in series like a resistor!

Sorry first year of mechanical engineering and I feel so dumbThanks mate
 
Sol_Engineered said:
Ah so battery can be in series like a resistor!
All components can be in series. There is nothing preventing you from putting them in the right spot in a circuit, neither on paper nor wíth actual wires.
 

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