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The discussion revolves around proving an equality involving integrals, specifically the integral of the product of an exponential function and a sine function, and its equivalence to another integral expression. The subject area includes calculus and differential equations.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore differentiating both sides of the equation and applying the fundamental theorem of calculus. There are suggestions to use Euler's formula and complete the square. Questions arise about the appropriateness of differentiating the original equation and the use of integration by parts.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various approaches and questioning the steps taken. Some guidance has been offered regarding differentiation and the use of theorems, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive method or solution.

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Participants express uncertainty about the algebra involved and the applicability of certain techniques, such as integration by parts and the use of differential equations. There is also mention of potential mistakes in earlier calculations that may affect the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Show that

∫e-t2sin(2xt)dt (bounds: 0,∞)

= e-x2∫eu2du (bounds: x, 0)

Homework Equations



THEOREM X. Let the integral F(x) = ∫f(t,x)dt (bounds: c, ∞) be convergent when a ≤ x ≤ b. Let the partial derivative ∂f/∂x be continuous in the two variables t, x when c ≤ t and a ≤ x ≤ b, and let the integral ∫∂f/∂x dt be uniformly convergent on [a, b]. Then F(x) has a derivative given by F'(x) = ∫ ∂f(t, x)/∂x dt.

The Attempt at a Solution




I think I need to differentiate both sides enough times until I've "shown" that the equality is true. So far, no success.

I'd let G(x) = ∫eu2 du (bounds: 0, x). Then, using the fundamental theorem of calculus,

(e-x2G(x))' = e-x2 * ex2 + eu2 du * e-x2.

Some pattern will emerge when I keep on differentiating.

As for ∫e-t2sin(2xt)dt (bounds: 0,∞), I'll have 2x accumulating over and over again, and then an alternation between sin(2xt) and cos(2xt), etc...


Am I doing this right? I'm not finding any major cancellations.
 
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Hi Jamin2112! :smile:
Jamin2112 said:
∫e-t2sin(2xt)dt (bounds: 0,∞)

Wouldn't it be easier to use Euler's formula (cos + isin), and then complete the square ? :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:


Wouldn't it be easier to use Euler's formula (cos + isin), and then complete the square ? :wink:

First of all, should I be differentiating both sides of the original equation?
 
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:
Jamin2112 said:
First of all, should I be differentiating both sides of the original equation?

Yes.

Differentiate the second one first (so that you know what you're aiming at! :wink:), to get an expression for dF/dx as a function of F,

and then use theorem X on the first one, followed by integration by parts, to make it look like the first result.

What do you get? :smile:
 


tiny-tim said:
Hi Jamin2112! :smile:


Yes.

Differentiate the second one first (so that you know what you're aiming at! :wink:), to get an expression for dF/dx as a function of F,

and then use theorem X on the first one, followed by integration by parts, to make it look like the first result.

What do you get? :smile:



Differentiating the second one yields

e-x2 * e-x2 + ∫eu2du * -2x2e-x2 = 1 - 2xe-x2∫eu2du.

So if G(x) = e-x2∫eu2du, I have

G' = 1 - 2x * G
G' / G = 1 - 2x
d/dx[ln(G)] = 1 - 2x
ln(G) = x - x2 + C
G = ex - x2 + C

Hmmmmm ... I'm not sure how to use Integration by Parts with the left side, since neither e-x2 nor sin(2xt) gets simpler when differentiated.
 
Jamin2112 said:
Differentiating the second one yields

e-x2 * e-x2 + ∫eu2du * -2x2e-x2 = 1 - 2xe-x2∫eu2du.

Yes (you got a minius wrong at the start, but you corrected it). :smile:
So if G(x) = e-x2∫eu2du, I have

G' = 1 - 2x * G
G' / G = 1 - 2x

No, G'/G is not 1 - 2x. :redface:
… Hmmmmm ... I'm not sure how to use Integration by Parts with the left side, since neither e-x2 nor sin(2xt) gets simpler when differentiated.

You need to differentiate the first equation first … then use integration by parts.
 


tiny-tim said:
Yes (you got a minius wrong at the start, but you corrected it). :smile:No, G'/G is not 1 - 2x. :redface:You need to differentiate the first equation first … then use integration by parts.

Let me try again. (Wow! I feel like a moron for doing that algebra wrong.)

G' = 1 - 2x * G

... That's not separable. It's been a while since I took Intro To Differential Equations. How do I do this?

As for the left side, I have 2x∫e-t2cos(2xt)dt. Unfortunately, this doesn't correspond to anything on the Laplace Transform table or Integral Table. You mentioned using Euler's thingy?
 


Hang on. Let me do this again.

F'(x) = ∫-te-t2sin(xt)dt.

Let u = sin(xt), dv = -te-t2. Then we have

limt-->∞[ (-1/2)sin(xt)e-t2 ] - x∫-(-1/2)e-t2cos(xt)dr = (-1/2)xF(x).

To solve the resulting differential equation,
F' / F = -x/2
d/dx [ln(F)] = -x/2
ln(F) = -x2/4 + C
F = Ke-x2/4


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Hi Jamin2112! :smile:

(is that you on the beach, last summer? :biggrin:)
Jamin2112 said:
G' = 1 - 2x * G

... That's not separable. It's been a while since I took Intro To Differential Equations. How do I do this?

I don't think it can be done, except by using that theorem.
You mentioned using Euler's thingy?

hmm … I've changed my mind about that … I thought that replacing sin(2xt) by (e2ixt - e-2ixt)/2 would help, but it doesn't seem to. :redface:
Jamin2112 said:
Hang on. Let me do this again.

F'(x) = ∫-te-t2sin(xt)dt.

No, that shoulld be a cos (and what happened to the 2xt ?) :wink:

Try again! :smile:
To solve the resulting differential equation,
F' / F = -x/2
d/dx [ln(F)] = -x/2
ln(F) = -x2/4 + C
F = Ke-x2/4


uhh? :confused: i think you've been eating too many rusks! :biggrin:
 
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Jamin2112 said:
Let me try again. (Wow! I feel like a moron for doing that algebra wrong.)

G' = 1 - 2x * G

... That's not separable. It's been a while since I took Intro To Differential Equations. How do I do this?

As for the left side, I have 2x∫e-t2cos(2xt)dt. Unfortunately, this doesn't correspond to anything on the Laplace Transform table or Integral Table. You mentioned using Euler's thingy?

Hi Jamin2112.

Yes getting the DE, G' = 1 - 2x * G, for the RHS is a good start.

You can get exactly the same DE for the LHS by first differentiating wrt x and then using integration by parts to rearrange it. I found this the easiest way to proof the identity. BTW. It's an interesting identity too :)
 
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Oh perhaps an even a better proof is to start out by generating the DE, G' = 1 - 2x * G for the LHS as outlined above, and then to solve it (using method of integrating factors) which leads explicitly to the RHS.
 

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