Show that the nested intervals property fails for the rational numbers

In summary, the conversation discusses constructing a nest of closed, bounded intervals in the field of formal rational functions to show that the Nested Intervals property fails in this field. This involves using an irrational number, such as sqrt2, as the center of the intervals and considering what happens as the intervals get smaller. The conversation also touches on the topology of the field and the subtlety of irrational numbers not being included in the intervals.
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In the field of formal rational functions, construct a nest of closed, bounded intervals whose intersection is empty. (That is, show that the Nested Intervals property fails in this field)


I know it has to involve radical 2 but because that is the only number we know is irrational but other than that I have no idea.
 
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Try 'centering' your intervals around an irrational (you should know more irrationals than that, but sqrt2 is still a good choice). For example, one interval can be [sqrt2 - 1/2, sqrt2 + 1/2]. Turn this into a nested sequence and consider what happens as the length of the intervals get very small.
 
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Kb13 said:
In the field of formal rational functions, construct a nest of closed, bounded intervals whose intersection is empty. (That is, show that the Nested Intervals property fails in this field)

Is there a topology assumed for this field? If so, what is it? I'm not sure what an "interval" looks like in this field.
 
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I suspected he meant the set of rational numbers (since this is a common problem and he didn't know any other irrationals so odds are he doesn't know what a topology is).
 
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Good point. I would like to point out one subtlety that he might otherwise overlook, namely that [sqrt2 - 1/2, sqrt2 + 1/2] in the rational field does NOT contain the endpoints since sqrt2 +/- 1/2 is irrational. It is nonetheless a closed (AND an open) interval.
 

1. Why is the nested intervals property important for the rational numbers?

The nested intervals property is important because it ensures that every rational number lies between two other rational numbers, allowing for a continuous and complete ordering of the rational numbers.

2. What does it mean for the nested intervals property to fail for the rational numbers?

When the nested intervals property fails for the rational numbers, it means that there exists a sequence of nested intervals of rational numbers that do not converge to a single rational number, thus breaking the property.

3. How can the nested intervals property be shown to fail for the rational numbers?

The nested intervals property can be shown to fail for the rational numbers by constructing a specific sequence of nested intervals of rational numbers that do not converge to a single rational number. This can be done by using irrational numbers or by finding a sequence of rational numbers that do not have a rational limit.

4. Can the nested intervals property fail for any other type of numbers?

No, the nested intervals property only fails for the rational numbers. It holds true for all other types of numbers, including real and complex numbers.

5. Why is it important to understand when the nested intervals property fails for the rational numbers?

Understanding when the nested intervals property fails for the rational numbers can help us better understand the properties and limitations of the rational numbers. It also allows us to appreciate the uniqueness of the real numbers, where the nested intervals property holds true.

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