Show that this inequality is true for all x, y ε R

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality |xy| ≤ 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for all real numbers x and y, as a prerequisite for demonstrating the absolute convergence of series. Participants explore various approaches, including manipulating the equation into a perfect square form, which leads to the conclusion that (|x| - |y|)^2 ≥ 0, confirming the inequality holds true. However, there is confusion regarding how to apply this result to the original problem involving series convergence. The hint provided is deemed essential, but participants struggle to connect the inequality to the series context without misrepresenting the operations involved. Ultimately, the focus remains on understanding the implications of the inequality in relation to series convergence.
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Homework Statement


This is part of a question on absolute convergence on series. The following equation is given as a hint. It says that before answering the question on series I should prove that |xy| <= 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for any x,y ε R


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I know that this is the same as |x||y| <= 1/2(|x||x| + |y||y|). That is about all I am able to do to manipulate this equation. I tried solving for x or y but found it is not possible to separate them out. So I can't see how to prove this other than -
letting x = 0, then showing the equation is true for a few values of y
letting x = 1, then showing the equation is true for a few values of y
etc...

And then saying the equation is true 'by induction'. Surely there is a better, less awkward, way to show that |xy| <= 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for any x,y ε R
 
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tomcruisex said:

Homework Statement


This is part of a question on absolute convergence on series. The following equation is given as a hint. It says that before answering the question on series I should prove that |xy| <= 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for any x,y ε R


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I know that this is the same as |x||y| <= 1/2(|x||x| + |y||y|). That is about all I am able to do to manipulate this equation. I tried solving for x or y but found it is not possible to separate them out. So I can't see how to prove this other than -
letting x = 0, then showing the equation is true for a few values of y
letting x = 1, then showing the equation is true for a few values of y
etc...

And then saying the equation is true 'by induction'. Surely there is a better, less awkward, way to show that |xy| <= 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for any x,y ε R

COllect all the terms on one side, and that side will be able to be expressed as a perfect square. I would always multiply each side by 2 to get rid of the nuisance fraction first.
 
Ok, if I collect the terms on one side I get
|x|^2 -2|xy| + |y|^2 >= 0

which is
(|x| - |y|)^2 >= 0

So I can say
|x| - |y| >= 0

But this isn't true as you could have, for example, x = 5 and y = 7. Am I missing something here?
 
tomcruisex said:
Ok, if I collect the terms on one side I get
|x|^2 -2|xy| + |y|^2 >= 0

which is
(|x| - |y|)^2 >= 0

So I can say
|x| - |y| >= 0

But this isn't true as you could have, for example, x = 5 and y = 7. Am I missing something here?

You were going fine.

Look at your "which is" line

You have (...)2 >= 0 I didn't fill in the bracket on purpose.

Tell me about the value of the square of anything involving real numbers.
 
All I can think of is that the square of a real number will be a positive finite real number..?

So it doesn't matter what is in the brackets it will always be greater than or equal to zero and therefore (|x|-|y|)^2 >=0 or basically (...)^2 >= 0 is true. Is that correct?
 
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I am having trouble applying this 'hint' to the original question. The original question was -
Show that if \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n^2 and \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}b_n^2 are convergent then \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_nb_n is absolutely convergent.

Hint: Show |xy| <= 1/2(|x|^2 + |y|^2) for any x,y ε R

So I have shown that the hint is true but I can't see how I can just substitute in the series a_n and b_n for x and y as the |xy| cannot be represented by \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_nb_n as that would be implying that
\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_n*\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}b_n = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty}a_nb_n, which it isn't as multiplication of series doesn't work like that. Anyone know how to apply this hint to the original question?
 
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tomcruisex said:
All I can think of is that the square of a real number will be a positive finite real number..?

So it doesn't matter what is in the brackets it will always be greater than or equal to zero and therefore (|x|-|y|)^2 >=0 or basically (...)^2 >= 0 is true. Is that correct?

That is the logic. The technique of collecting all terms on one side of an equation/inequation is a common approach.
 
Cheers for the help mate. Any idea how to apply this hint to the original question in post #6?
 
That hint is really all you need. Perhaps think about what relevance it has? (I'm being terse on purpose, you should know enough to answer this)
 
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