Showing that the real Klein-gordon lagrangian is Lorentz invariant

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the Lorentz invariance of the Klein-Gordon Lagrangian density, given by \(\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)(\partial^{\mu}\phi)-\frac{m}{2}\phi^{2}\). Participants are exploring how to show that this Lagrangian remains invariant under Lorentz transformations, specifically how the field transforms and how derivatives behave under these transformations.

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  • Participants are discussing the transformation of the field \(\phi\) and its derivatives under Lorentz transformations. There are questions about the appearance of the metric tensor \(\eta_{\mu\sigma}\) in the transformed Lagrangian and how to handle it. Some participants are verifying the correctness of their expressions for derivatives and the implications of the prime notation in the context of transformed coordinates.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on each other's attempts and clarifying the mathematical expressions involved. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some participants are suggesting that the use of the Minkowski metric may lead to a proof of Lorentz invariance.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of tensor notation and transformations, with some expressing confusion over the implications of the prime notation in derivatives and the necessity of maintaining clarity in the representation of different coordinate systems.

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Homework Statement


Hey guys!

So this question should be simple apparently but I got no idea how to do it. Basically I have the following Lagrangian density
\mathcal{L}=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\mu}\phi)(\partial^{\mu}\phi)-\frac{m}{2}\phi^{2}

which should be invariant under Lorentz transformations - that is:

\phi^{'}(x^{'})=\phi(x)

And so I have to show that under this transformation, the lagrangian density above is Lorentz invariant.

No idea where to start guys so please help me :D thanks!

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Thank you once again Shyan.

The only thing is: in my final answer I have a factor of \eta_{\mu\sigma} floating around, as a result of the product of both Lambdas. What does this mean? how do I get rid of it?

you can see my final answer here:

\mathcal{L}'=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\rho}\phi')(\partial^{\sigma}\phi')\Lambda^{\rho}_{\mu}\Lambda^{\mu}_{\sigma} -\frac{m}{2}\phi'^{2}=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\rho}\phi')(\partial^{\sigma}\phi')\eta_{\mu\sigma} -\frac{m}{2}\phi'^{2}.

Dont know what to do with the metric tensor eta.
 
You should recheck your contraction of the lambdas. As it stands you have a few indices floating around in the RHS where there are no free indices on the LHS.
 
Okay thank you. Can you please tell me if this equation is true:

\partial_{\mu}\phi=\frac{\partial\phi'}{\partial x'^{\rho}}\frac{\partial x'^{\rho}}{\partial x'^{\mu}}=\partial_{\rho}\phi'\Lambda^{\rho}_{\mu}=\partial_{\mu}'\phi'
 
No, that should be as below:
<br /> \partial_\mu \phi=\partial_\mu \phi&#039;=\frac{\partial \phi&#039;}{\partial x^\mu}=\frac{\partial \phi&#039;}{\partial x&#039;^\rho}\frac{\partial x&#039;^\rho}{\partial x^\mu}=\Lambda^\rho_\mu \partial&#039;_\rho \phi&#039;<br />
 
Thanks Shyan but I don't understand how you get \partial&#039;_{\rho} in the final RHS? Where did that prime come from? Essentially I'm asking if its true that \Lambda_{\mu}^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}=\partial&#039;_{\mu}. I think you asked this question in your post that you linked to but no one really said if its right or wrong so I'm just wondering.
 
Cos now I've ended up with the following:

\mathcal{L}&#039;=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\rho}\phi&#039;)(\partial_{\sigma}\phi&#039;)g^{\rho\sigma}-\frac{m}{2}\phi&#039;^{2}

and I'm not sure if this proves Lorentz invariance?
 
Dixanadu said:
Thanks Shyan but I don't understand how you get \partial&#039;_{\rho} in the final RHS? Where did that prime come from? Essentially I'm asking if its true that \Lambda_{\mu}^{\rho}\partial_{\rho}=\partial&#039;_{\mu}. I think you asked this question in your post that you linked to but no one really said if its right or wrong so I'm just wondering.
Do you see that \partial&#039;_\rho \phi=\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x&#039;^\rho} and that its all just chain rule?
Dixanadu said:
Cos now I've ended up with the following:

\mathcal{L}&#039;=\frac{1}{2}(\partial_{\rho}\phi&#039;)(\partial_{\sigma}\phi&#039;)g^{\rho\sigma}-\frac{m}{2}\phi&#039;^{2}

and I'm not sure if this proves Lorentz invariance?
If by g^{\rho \sigma} you mean the Minkowski metric, then its done because we have: \partial&#039;_\rho \phi&#039; \partial&#039;_\sigma \phi&#039; g^{\rho \sigma}=\partial&#039;^\sigma \phi&#039; \partial&#039;_\sigma \phi&#039;=\partial&#039;_\rho \phi&#039; \partial&#039;^\rho \phi&#039;.
 
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im just confused about the prime, I'm not sure what the prime in \partial&#039;_{\rho}\phi means hmm. But yea I got the rest...thank you :)
 
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Dixanadu said:
im just confused about the prime, I'm not sure what the prime in \partial&#039;_{\rho}\phi means hmm. But yea I got the rest...thank you :)
That prime only means we're differentiating w.r.t. primed coordinates. Don't think that if you use different greek letters for super- and sub-scripts, it can represent different coordinate systems. Its a very dangerous idea!
 
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Cool thank you man :)
 

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