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The discussion revolves around the question of whether the sum of the inverses of odd integers can yield an even integer. Participants explore the implications of this question, including its potential connections to Fermat's Last Theorem and the existence of odd perfect numbers.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the sum of the inverses of odd numbers can result in an even integer, suggesting that proving this could lead to an elementary proof of Fermat's Last Theorem.
  • Another participant states that this is an open problem, linking it to the existence of odd perfect numbers.
  • A request for clarification is made regarding how the equation involving the sum of inverses could yield a nontrivial solution.
  • One participant explains that exhibiting an odd perfect number would provide a set of odd integers whose inverses sum to 2, indicating that more than two terms would be required.
  • It is noted that the sum of the inverses of successive integers is never an integer for k greater than 1, with a participant suggesting this applies to arbitrary positive integers as well.
  • Clarification is provided that the inverses do not need to be of consecutive odd integers, and a participant expresses frustration over the unclear connection to Fermat's Last Theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the main question, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications and connections to other mathematical concepts.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on how the sum of inverses relates to odd perfect numbers and the unresolved nature of the relationship to Fermat's Last Theorem.

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If you add up inverses of odd numbers, can you get an even integer?
Of course, I mean you only use each odd integer once... so 1/3 * 6 doesn't work.

I remember seeming to think that if this could be proved impossible, one could provide an elementary proof of Fermat's last theorem. Undoubtedly false then as it is now, but...

Thoughts? Is this a rabbit hole? Or can you prove / disprove the adding up inverses of odd integers thing?
 
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csprof2000 said:
If you add up inverses of odd numbers, can you get an even integer?

It's an open problem. The special case n = 2 corresponds the the existence of odd perfect numbers.
 
CRGreathouse said:
The special case n = 2 corresponds the the existence of odd perfect numbers.

Could you elaborate on that? I don't see how

[tex]\frac{1}{2n+1}+\frac{1}{2m+1}=2k[/tex]

could have any nontrivial solution.
 
Sorry for not being clear. Exhibiting an odd perfect number would give a set of odd integers whose inverses would sum to 2. I didn't mean for there to be only two terms. In fact, the number of terms for this special case would be at least 3^8 (75 - 16 + 1) = 393,660.
 
It is known--and found in elementary books--that the sum of successive integers:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{n=k}\frac{1}{n}[/tex] is never an integer for k greater than 1.
 
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robert Ihnot said:
It is known--and found in elementary books--that the sum of successive integers:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{n=k}\frac{1}{n}[/tex] is never an integer for k greater than 1.

I believe that's even known starting from an arbitrary positive integer, not just 1.

My post was addressing the possibility of nonconsecutive odds.
 
Oh yes, I don't require that they be consecutive. Sorry for the confusion.

I'm frustrated that I can't remember how this was connected to FLT. I sincerely doubt the relationship was even correct, much less that it would have been an iff chain the likes of which could be used to prove anything.

Good times...
 

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