Simple dc circuit, strange layout

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The discussion revolves around understanding a specific DC circuit layout from a textbook, focusing on the relationships between voltages and currents in the circuit. Participants explore the implications of a dependent current source and the calculations required to express the output voltage in terms of the input voltage and circuit parameters.

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  • The original poster expresses confusion about the circuit layout, particularly regarding the direction of currents and their meeting point.
  • The poster provides a series of mathematical expressions to relate \( V_0 \) and \( V_s \) based on circuit resistances and the dependent current source \( \alpha \).
  • Another participant confirms the mathematical approach and explains the relationship between the left and right sides of the circuit, emphasizing the shared ground and the dependency of the right circuit on the left.
  • Additional participants offer praise for the clarity of the explanation provided in the second post.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical approach presented by the original poster and the explanation provided by the second participant. However, the original poster's initial confusion about the circuit layout indicates that there may still be some uncertainty regarding the circuit's representation.

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The discussion does not resolve all potential misunderstandings about the circuit layout or the implications of the dependent current source, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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I'm having difficulty to understand a circuit from my textbook (figure attached). Essentially, the currents seem to go in opposite directions and ultimately meet. It looks strange (circled area), but maybe there is a simple explanation behind it. I wish I could redraw the circuit in a simpler fashion, which is often possible; I can't visualize it this time.

Here is what the problem states:

For the given circuit, find \frac{V_0}{V_s} in terms of \alpha, R_1, R_2, R_3, and R_4. If R_1 = R_2 = R_3 = R_4, what value of \alpha will produce \left| \frac{V_0}{V_s} \right| = 10?

Here is what I think (I may be wrong!):

1. The right side gives:

V_0 = \left( \frac{R_3 R_4}{R_3 + R_4} \right) \alpha I_0

2. The left side gives

V_s = \left( R_1 + R_2 \right) I_0

3. The first and second expressions yield

\frac{V_0}{V_s} = \frac{R_3 R_4}{\left( R_1 + R_2 \right) \left( R_3 + R_4 \right)} \alpha

4. If R_1 = R_2 = R_3 = R_4 = R, then

\frac{V_0}{V_s} = \frac{\alpha}{4}

5. If \left| \frac{V_0}{V_s} \right| = 10, then \alpha = \pm 40.

Any help is highly appreciated
 

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Your math looks fine.. A good way to think about this kind of circuit representation is, the right circuit is dependent on the left.. On the left side, you have current I_o... The right side uses this same current I_o and is scaled by \alpha (also known as dependent-current-source). Don't worry about the connection node in between. That is your lowest potential (typically ground). In your diagram, both circuits are sharing this common ground.

You will see lots more of this kind of circuit diagram, if you learn about http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~jones/es154/lectures/lecture_3/bjt_models/bjt_models.html of bipolar junction transistors.
 
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Wow, can we give this guy a prize for such a nice post?
 
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Here.. here.. Nice job thiago, on your post!
 
Thank you, folks! It did not make sense when I posted it and your input helped a lot.
 

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