Simple Harmonic Motion and parallel-axis-theorem

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The discussion revolves around two problems related to simple harmonic motion and the parallel-axis theorem, specifically focusing on a physical pendulum and a slender rod with a spring attached. Participants are exploring the relationships between period, angular motion, and forces acting on the systems described.

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  • Participants are attempting to apply the parallel-axis theorem to derive a relationship for gravitational acceleration in the context of a physical pendulum. They are questioning how to manipulate the equations involving the moment of inertia and the period to arrive at the desired expression for g.
  • In the second problem, there is exploration of how the spring force relates to the angular displacement of the rod, with some participants discussing the approximation of small angles to simplify the equations of motion.
  • Questions arise regarding the transition from torque equations to the standard form of simple harmonic motion, particularly how to express angular acceleration in terms of angular displacement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and attempting to clarify their understanding of the problems. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between forces and motion, but there is no explicit consensus on the solutions or methods to be used.

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Hello,

I have problems solving the following two problems:
1)You measure the period of a physical pendulum about one pivot point to be T. Then you find another pivot point on the opposite side of the center of mass that gives the same period. The two points are separated by a distance L. Use the parallel-axis-theorem to show that [tex]g = L(2\pi/T)^2[/tex]

2)A slender, uniform, metal rod with mass M is pivoted without friction about an axis through its midpoint and perpendicular to the rod. A horizontal spring with force constant k is attached to the lower end of the rod, with the other end of the spring attached to a rigid support. If the rod is displaced by a small angle [tex]\theta[/tex] from the vertical and released, show that it moves in angular SHM and calculate the period (Hint: Assume that the angle is small enough so that [tex]sin(\theta) =~ \theta[/tex]and [tex]cos(\theta) =~ 1[/tex]. The motion is simple harmonic if [tex]d^2\theta/dt^2[/tex] = [tex]-\omega^2\theta[/tex]

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For 1)
The period for a physical Pendulum around P is given by:

[tex]T=2\pi \sqrt{\frac{I_p}{MgL}}[/tex]

The Parallel axis theorem is:

[tex]I_p = I_{cm} + Md^2[/tex] (d is distance from the center of mass).

As far as I understand the problem, L = 2d. However, I can't seem to figure it out. Solving for g gives me:

[tex]g = (\frac{2\pi}{T})^2 \frac{I_p}{ML}[/tex]

I don't know how [tex]\frac{I_p}{ML}[/tex] is supposed to become L.

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For 2) I don't know where to start here. I can't even imagine how this rod would undergo any kind of harmonic motion. The picture confuses me and I can't imagine the rod moving.
 
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In the second problem, the spring imparts a force kx to the end of the rod, where k is the spring constant and x is the displacement of the traveling end of the spring (and end of rod) from the equilibrium position (zero spring force).

x is also L/2 sin [itex]\theta[/itex], where L is the length of the rod.

If the angle is very small, we approximate [tex]sin(\theta) =~ \theta[/tex] in order to make a linear differential equation.
 
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Astronuc said:
In the second problem, the spring imparts a force kx to the end of the rod, where k is the spring constant and x is the displacement of the traveling end of the spring (and end of rod) from the equilibrium position (zero spring force).

x is also L/2 sin [itex]\theta[/itex], where L is the length of the rod.

If the angle is very small, we approximate [tex]sin(\theta) =~ \theta[/tex] in order to make a linear differential equation.
Hm, thank you.

I used [tex]\sum\tau = I\alpha)[/tex]
and came up with:
[tex]\sum\tau = -k\frac{L}{2}sin(\theta)(\frac{L}{2}cos(\theta)) = -k\frac{L^2}{4}\theta[/tex]

[tex]=> I\alpha + k\frac{L^2}{4}\theta = I\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} + k\frac{L^2}{4}\theta = 0[/tex]
That should be SHM.

However, how do they get to [tex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} = -\omega^2\theta[/tex] ?

Also, any ideas for Problem 1)?
 
Well - in the second problem, [itex]\omega^2[/itex] would = k/m, and 1/m is related to L2/I.

I seen in the first problem that g is an acceleration based on units of L/T2, so is there a way to relate angular acceleration (which is the same for any point in a rigid body) to that of the linear acceleration, which varies with the distance from the pivot to the location of interest?
 
Astronuc said:
I seen in the first problem that g is an acceleration based on units of L/T2, so is there a way to relate angular acceleration (which is the same for any point in a rigid body) to that of the linear acceleration, which varies with the distance from the pivot to the location of interest?
I can't follow you on this one. Yes, I know that [tex]a_{tan}=r\alpha[/tex] for a rigid body, but I don't see any angular/linear accelerations in the equation we would have to "convert". My goal is to get [tex]g=(\frac{2\pi}{T})^2L[/tex]
 

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