Simple harmonic motion in an accelerating car

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of simple harmonic motion of a pendulum attached to an accelerating car. Participants explore deriving the time period from first principles rather than using the "effective" gravitational acceleration method. The focus includes mathematical derivations and the implications of acceleration on the pendulum's motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an attempt to derive the motion of a pendulum in an accelerating car using a force balance equation and small angle approximations.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the derived equation to check if it resembles the form ##\ddot\alpha\propto-\alpha##, questioning the expected constant of proportionality and its sign.
  • A third participant emphasizes the need to express acceleration as a function of the angular displacement ##\alpha##.
  • A later reply indicates that the initial participant has resolved their query, suggesting some level of understanding was achieved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple viewpoints and suggestions for simplification and expression of variables, but it does not reach a consensus on the derivation or the implications of the results.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding small angle approximations and the relationship between acceleration and angular displacement may not be fully addressed, leaving potential gaps in the derivation process.

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There's a pendulum attached to a car accelerating with ##A##. I know I can find it's time period using the "effective" g method, but I want to find it from first principles.

My attempt:
##tan\theta = A/g##
Now I displace it by ##\alpha## giving ##mgsin(\theta+\alpha)-mAcos(\theta+\alpha) = ma##

Expanding this and using small angle approximations:

##gsin\theta+g\alpha cos\theta-Acos\theta + A\alpha sin\theta = a##

Where did I go wrong?
 
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Can you simplify your last equation with your first? Does the result look like ##\ddot\alpha\propto-\alpha##? If so, is the constant of proportionality what you expect from doing it the easy way? Is its sign right?
 
You also need to express a as a function of α.
 
Ibix said:
Can you simplify your last equation with your first? Does the result look like ##\ddot\alpha\propto-\alpha##? If so, is the constant of proportionality what you expect from doing it the easy way? Is its sign right?

I got it. Thanks!
 

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