Is this Simple Harmonic Motion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether a specific amusement park ride exhibits Simple Harmonic Motion (SHM). Participants explore the characteristics of SHM, compare it to the motion of the ride, and consider the implications of oscillatory motion in real-world scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the ride follows SHM, noting that the swinging part of the ride increases in height, which may affect its classification as SHM.
  • Another participant asserts that the ride does not exhibit SHM, citing that energy is added to the motion, causing the amplitude to increase, which deviates from SHM characteristics.
  • It is mentioned that a pendulum is not undergoing SHM unless the amplitude is very small, and this is not the case for the ride.
  • Some participants clarify that while many real-life examples may exhibit harmonic motion, they may not qualify as Simple Harmonic Motion, with the ideal case being a mass on a uniform spring.
  • A participant raises the question of whether calculations related to SHM, such as amplitude, frequency, and period, can still be applied to the ride's motion despite it not being SHM.
  • Another participant suggests that while SHM is an approximation in many real-world scenarios, there are caveats to its application, drawing a parallel with radio signals and their frequency representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether the ride can be classified as SHM, with some asserting it does not qualify while others explore the nuances of oscillatory motion and its approximations in real-world contexts.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the definitions and conditions for SHM may not fully apply to the ride, and there are unresolved considerations regarding the effects of amplitude and rotation on the classification of motion.

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I've been going to the theme park almost every year-and this year in my Physics class we are learning mechanics, more specifically Simple Harmonic Motion.
My teacher told us that for an object to have 'Simple Harmonic Motion' it must have oscillatory motion (like a pendulum going back and forth).

Here is the link to a short video of the ride at the theme park I go to: (just skip the video to about the 1/2 way mark).

I was wondering if this follows SHM?

I'm a bit confused because the swinging part of the ride gets successively higher as the ride proceeds.

And I'm wondering if the rotating part of the ride affects the SHM? because in a 'normal pendulum demo', the bob doesn't rotate/spin as it oscillates.

Thank you for reading :)
 
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No, this is not simple harmonic motion and there are many reasons for it.
  1. As you have noticed, energy is clearly being put into the motion as the amplitude increases.
  2. A pendulum is generally not undergoing SHM. If your teacher claims this he is wrong. For SHM it is not sufficient for the motion to be periodic and the motion of a pendulum is only well approximated by SHM if the amplitude is very small. This is clearly not the case here.
  3. Regarding the rotation, it is a bit unclear which part of the ride you are asking about the SHM for. It is clearly not the case that the people on the ride are in SHM.
 
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solarmidnightrose said:
we are learning mechanics, more specifically Simple Harmonic Motion.
Most examples in real life may be Harmonic Motion - just not Simple.
SHM can be described by a basic sine wave in time. Even the familiar pendulum is not exactly SHM. The nearest we get to mechanical SHM is a mass bouncing on a good, uniform spring. That relies of good old Hooke's Law which tells us that a spring follows a linear relationship between force and extension.
 
Orodruin said:
No, this is not simple harmonic motion and there are many reasons for it.
  1. As you have noticed, energy is clearly being put into the motion as the amplitude increases.
  2. A pendulum is generally not undergoing SHM. If your teacher claims this he is wrong. For SHM it is not sufficient for the motion to be periodic and the motion of a pendulum is only well approximated by SHM if the amplitude is very small. This is clearly not the case here.
  3. Regarding the rotation, it is a bit unclear which part of the ride you are asking about the SHM for. It is clearly not the case that the people on the ride are in SHM.
Thank you for replying!
So, as this is not SHM, is it still possible to do calculations related to SHM?

things such as:
  • amplitude
  • frequency
  • period
  • angular velocity/acceleration
 
sophiecentaur said:
Most examples in real life may be Harmonic Motion - just not Simple.
SHM can be described by a basic sine wave in time. Even the familiar pendulum is not exactly SHM. The nearest we get to mechanical SHM is a mass bouncing on a good, uniform spring. That relies of good old Hooke's Law which tells us that a spring follows a linear relationship between force and extension.
Thank you for making this clear :)
 
solarmidnightrose said:
So, as this is not SHM, is it still possible to do calculations related to SHM?
I think this is a matter of degree. We describe a Radio Signal in terms of its centre / main frequency which is treating it as a sinusoidal variation of volts. But then we acknowledge that it carries information which implies that it takes up a significant bandwidth. It is not a sine wave BUT that approximation works fine for antenna and amplifier design.
Basically we are in the real world and SHM is a working approximation in many cases. But there is always a caveat.
 

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