Simple Linear Algebra matrix problem

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The problem involves determining the value(s) of h for which the vector b is in the plane spanned by the vectors a1 and a2 in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various methods to determine if b is a linear combination of a1 and a2, including using an augmented matrix and calculating the determinant of a 3x3 matrix.

Discussion Status

Several approaches have been suggested, including simplifying the augmented matrix and directly applying the definition of linear combinations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correctness of specific values for h, while others provide alternative methods for finding h.

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There is mention of differing opinions on the appropriateness of certain methods, with some participants questioning the validity of proposed answers based on their calculations.

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Homework Statement


Let a1 = [1 4 -2] supposed to be a column
Let a2 = [-2 -3 7] supposed to be a column
Let b = [4 1 h] supposed to be a column

For what value(s) of h is b in the plane spanned by a1 and a2?

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, the first thing I did as in 99% of all Linear Alg problems was to put it into an augmented matrix:

[1 -2 l 4]
[4 -3 l 1]
[-2 7 l h]

which became from -4R1 +R2 -> R2:

[1 -2 l 4]
[0 5 l -15]
[-2 7 l h]

and I'm stuck. I could do 2R1+ R3 -> R3, but this doesn't seem to render a correct answer of h= 7/2.
 
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I think the simpler solution is to construct the whole 3x3 matrix and take the determinant. If b lies in the plane of a1, a2, then the three of them put together no longer span all of 3D space, and the determinant of the matrix will be zero.
 
Hi anniecvc! :smile:

No need to be stuck.
You can divide row 2 by 5: R2/5 -> R2

Then you can use row 2 to simplify row 1.

From rows 1 and 2 you get the solution for the linear combination.

Substitute those in the equation represented by row 3 and you get h.
 
Personally, I prefer to do problems like this right from the definitions.
b is in the space spanned by a_1 and a_2, then it is a linear combination of them. That is, there must exist numbers x and y such that
[tex]x\begin{bmatrix}1 \\ 4\\ -2\end{bmatrix}+ y\begin{bmatrix}-2 \\ -3 \\ 7\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}4 \\ 1\\ h\end{bmatrix}[/tex]
which is the same as
[tex]\begin{bmatrix}x- 2y \\ 4x- 3y \\ -2x+ 7y\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}4 \\ 1 \\ h\end{bmatrix}[/tex]

which, in turn, is equivalent to the three equations x- 2y= 4, 4x- 3y= 1, -2x+7y= h.

Solve the first two equations for x and y and put those values into the third to find h.
 
If the required answer is 7/2, it is wrong, as can be checked easily. What you described initially does work.
 
Ougoah, you're right, the answer is h=-17, which using Serena's help comes out nicely. Thank you! Ivy, that does work too but I think defeats the purpose of being in a linear algebra class rather than an Alg 2 class. Still, thanks for the insight!
 
You're welcome! :smile:
 

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