# Simple lorentz trans. question

1. Sep 28, 2007

### Ja4Coltrane

I have been trying to derive the equation for relative velocity for a while and have had no success. I don't know, perhaps I am slightly misunderstanding SR or something. Does anyone have suggestions for understanding the derivation?

2. Sep 28, 2007

### JesseM

You mean, derive it from the Lorentz transformation? Just take an object with velocity v in one frame, find the coordinates of two events on its worldline (to make it simple the first could be the origin, the second could be the event x=vT, t=T), then find the coordinates of the same two events in another frame moving along the same axis of the first frame's coordinate system, and find (change in position)/(change in time) for the events in the second frame.

3. Sep 28, 2007

### bernhard.rothenstein

velocity transformations

If you intend to derive it without using the Lorentz transformation have a look at
W.N. Mathews Jr. "Relativistic velocity and accelereation transformation from thought experiments," Am.J.Phys. 73 45 (2005)
I will send you a simpler approach to the same problem

4. Sep 28, 2007

### bernhard.rothenstein

velocity transformations

If you intend to derive it without using the Lorentz transformation have a look at
W.N. Mathews Jr. "Relativistic velocity and acceleration transformation from thought experiments," Am.J.Phys. 73 45 (2005)
I will send you a simpler approach to the same problem

5. Sep 28, 2007

### pmb_phy

There is a derivation on my website at

http://www.geocities.com/physics_world/sr/velocity_trans.htm

Good luck

Pete

6. Sep 28, 2007

### robphy

Using the Lorentz Transformations, one has compose two boost transformations.
The following links will start you off on various methods.... but you'll have to finish the calculation.

In matrix form, you multiply two boost matrices, then identify the terms as if it were a single boost [possibly with rotation]. Follow the links, https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=121285

Alternatively, one can use vector methods

The k-calculus method is extremely efficient.