Simple problem 3x = 1 (mod 16), find all possible values of x mod 16

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The discussion revolves around solving the congruence equation 3x = 1 (mod 16) and finding all possible values of x modulo 16. Participants explore various methods and approaches to tackle the problem, including systematic techniques and trial and error.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the equation and seeks assistance, stating 3x = 1 + 16k, where k is any integer.
  • Another participant suggests that there are only 16 possible values for x and questions which ones satisfy the equation.
  • A participant proposes a systematic approach to solving similar problems, mentioning the Chinese Remainder Theorem in the context of a different modulus (2008).
  • One contributor provides a specific solution, stating that x = -5 and k = -1, and describes a general form for the solution as x = -5 + 16t.
  • Another participant notes that since 3 is relatively prime to 16, the solutions form a permutation of the multiplicative group, implying a unique solution exists.
  • Discussion also includes a consideration of the problem under a different modulus (2008), with suggestions for using systematic ideas and inspection to find solutions.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial equation and derives that the smallest positive value of x is 11, confirming it through modular arithmetic.

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Participants express differing views on the methods to solve the problem and the nature of the solutions. While some suggest a unique solution exists, others explore the possibility of multiple values and different approaches, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some participants reference the need for specific conditions, such as the relationship between k and moduli, and the implications of the greatest common divisor in their reasoning, which may not be fully explored in the discussion.

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simple problem... 3x = 1 (mod 16), find all possible values of x mod 16

so this is what I've come to:
3x = 1 + 16k, where k is any integer

i'm stuck though, any help?

thanks
 
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Well, there are only 16 possible values for x; which ones work?
 
Well is there a systematic way to solve a problem like this?

what if it were mod 2008
 
bobthebanana said:
Well is there a systematic way to solve a problem like this?

what if it were mod 2008
The systematic way is to use http://www.cut-the-knot.org/blue/chinese.shtml"
 
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well, you put 3x-16k=1

by simple inspection i get the solution x=-5 and k=-1 , since the congruence is purely linear the solution can be written as

x= -5+16t and k= -1+3t where 't' is just any integer

the smallest positive solution is x=11 and k=2

To solve the general congruence ax+by=c

a) using trial and error find a paritcular solution , let's say x=m and y=n

b) we are supposing that gcd (a,b)=1 , the solution then may be written as

x= m+bt y=n-at for any integer 't'
 
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This problem has showed up by the same author in General Math, under "Simple Problem 3X==1 (16)

I answered it there: 3 is relatively prime to 16, thus the elements 3x1, 3x2, 3x3...3x15 are all distinct, and simply form a permutation of the original multiplicative group. That is to say...there is only a single answer to your problem.

You can see that also by:

Then all you have to do is find that one number. Hint(1): It can't be a multiple of 2. Hint(2): Look for a solution of and then subtract that number from 16.
 
bobthebanana: what if it were mod 2008? (3x==1 Mod 2008)

They are certain more or less systematic ideas. 2008 =8x251, so you could try working out solutions for 251 and for 8 and use the Chinese Remainder Theorem.

However with a simple modulus like 3, we can use inspection.

We have the equation 2008K +1 = 3j. It happens to be that 2007 is divisible by 3, in fact, by 9. Thus 2008 is one more than a multiple of 3, and so is 1. Thus we need k=2. This gives us:

[tex]\frac{2x2008+1}{3} = 1339[/tex] So X=1339 is the answer.
 
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bobthebanana said:
simple problem... 3x = 1 (mod 16), find all possible values of x mod 16

so this is what I've come to:
3x = 1 + 16k, where k is any integer

i'm stuck though, any help?

thanks
As Robert pointed out with respect to 2008, 16 = 1 mod 3 so k must equal 2 mod 3 since
1 + 16k = 3x
1 + k = 3 mod 3
k = 2 mod 3

so the smallest positive value of x is (2*16 + 1)/3 or 11.
3*16/3 = 16 so x = 11 +16t
 
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