Simple problem involving moment and force

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the calculation of force and moment in two equivalent systems in a physics context. Participants are attempting to determine the force F' and moment M based on given vectors and relationships.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents a problem involving vectors F and M, stating their calculations for the moment M and expressing uncertainty about finding F' and M.
  • RKOwens4 suggests verifying the accuracy of the numbers used in the calculations and questions whether F' being different from F would imply different forces acting on the system.
  • The original poster expresses frustration over the lack of helpful responses and reiterates their confusion regarding the calculations.
  • RKOwens4 prompts the original poster to consider the implications of the systems being equivalent and whether that property has been utilized in their approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as the original poster continues to express confusion while RKOwens4 offers hints and guidance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the calculations and interpretations of the problem.

Contextual Notes

The original poster's calculations may depend on the accuracy of the vectors provided, and there is uncertainty regarding the application of the equivalence of the two systems in their approach.

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Homework Statement



The two systems are equivalent. If F = 30i - 100j + 40k lb and M' = 40i - 80j + 120k lb*in, determine F' and M.

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Homework Equations



M = r x F

The Attempt at a Solution



To find M, I started out finding the position vector for System 1 and got r = 6i + 0j +6k, and then did the cross product of that with F = 3i - 100j + 40k, and got M = 600i - 222j - 600k. To find F' for System 2, I took r to be 6i + 4j + 6k. I then set up the cross product box, with the F' row blank, and tried finding F' with the known answer of M' = 40i - 80j + 120k, however it is practically impossible to solve for F' that way and something tells me that's not the right way to try to solve it anyway. Also, something tells me that I didn't solve for M in the first part correctly either.
 
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RKOwens4: Hint 1: Ensure you copied the numbers given in the problem statement correctly in your calculations. Hint 2: If F' is not identical to F, would the system be subjected to different forces?
 
Sorry but I'm really not getting anything helpful from that. Of course it would be subjected to different forces, I just don't know how to calculate F' or M.
 
Come on, guys. EIGHTY-FIVE views and not one person can help me? EIGHTY-FIVE?
 
RKOwens4: What do you think it means to say "the two systems are equivalent"? Have you used that property?
 

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