Simple question about KVL Equation in a BJT Circuit

[ryNze]

Homework Statement

I am trying to find the KVL equation for this BJT in order to find Ib.
http://www.ece.auckland.ac.nz/oasis/a/att/qtatt/2028/2/261/IM010

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution

My current equation looks like this.
Vcc - IcRc - IbRb - Vbe = 0

I am not entirely sure if this is correct.

 

[rude man]

1. Is the drop across Rc really just IcRc? (Hint: you're close, but no cigars).
2. More importantly, what is the relationship between Ib and Ic for a BJT?

 

[ryNze]

1. Is the drop across Rc really just IcRc? (Hint: you're close, but no cigars).
2. More importantly, what is the relationship between Ib and Ic for a BJT?

I just thought about it.
The base current and collector current equals to the emitter current.

So, the drop across the Rc is actually IeRc?

 

[rude man]

Yes. Add the IbRc term to your original equation, don't use Ie.

Now for part 2?