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The discussion revolves around simplifying a wave equation for sound waves in a pipe with a varying cross-section, described by a specific mathematical expression involving derivatives with respect to both space and time.

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Sounds waves in a pipe of varying cross-section are described by the equation

V2 d/dx (1/A dAu/dx) = d2u/dt2

Where A = 0.2+0.3x

So first I substituted A into the equation:

V2 d/dx (1/(0.2+0.3x) d(0.2+0.3x)u/dx) = d2u/dt2

V2 d/dx (0.3u/(0.2+0.3x) du/dx) = d2u/dt2This is as far as I can get, any help would be fantastic.
 
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I suppose this is V² d/dx (1/A d(Au)/dx) = d²u/dt², true? Then expand first before substituting, which gives
d²u/dx² + d(ln A)/dx du/dx + d²(ln A)/dx² u = 1/V² d²u/dt².
Now substitute to get
d²u/dx² + 1/(x + 2/3) du/dx - 1/(x + 2/3)² u = 1/V² d²u/dt², which I think is about as simple as it gets.

(PS: This has a solution u(x,t) = [ C1 x² (1 + x)/(2 + 3 x) + C2 (1 + (2 + 3 x)²)/(2 + 3 x) + C3 (
(1 - (2 + 3 x)²))/(2 + 3 t) ] [ 1/2 C1 t² V² + C4 + t C5 ], where C1 to C5 are arbitrary constants. But that may not be the solution you are looking for.)
 
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So the equation you have is:
[tex] v^{2}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}\frac{1}{A(x)}\frac{\partial}{\partial x}(A(x)u)=\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial t^{2}}[/tex]
Use:
[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(Au)=A\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}+0.3u[/tex]
Likewise for the 1/A term too.
 
Thank you for the replies, hunt_mat could u please explain your post a little more please I am confused :confused:
 
I will explain the second point:
[tex] \frac{\partial}{\partial x}(A(x)u)=A\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}+u\frac{\partial A}{\partial x}=A\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}+0.3u[/tex]
 
Ok using what you have said I have obtained:

V2 d/dx (0.3u/0.2+0.3x + du/dx)

V2 d/dx (0.15u+ u/x + du/dx)

Is this correct??
 
You have to use the quotient rule which is:
[tex] \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{X}{A}\right) =\frac{A\frac{dX}{dx}-X\frac{dA}{dx}}{A^{2}}[/tex]
Where:
[tex] X=\frac{\partial }{\partial x}(A(x)u))[/tex]
So, no. Your answer isn't correct.
 
Ok so I should use the quotient rule on:

0.3u/0.2+0.3x

(0.2+0.3x) (0.3) - 0.3u (0.3) / (0.2+0.3x)2

0.6 +0.9x -0.9u / (0.2+0.3x)2

am I on the right track??
 
Not quite, you should have:
(0.3du/dx-(0.3)^2u)/(0.2+0.3x)2
 
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So the answer is:

V2 d/dx ((0.3du/dx-(0.3)2u)/(0.2+0.3x)2 + du/dx)
 

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