Simplify the proof of different vector calculus identities

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of proofs for various vector calculus identities, such as the gradient of a product and the curl of a curl. Participants explore alternative mathematical frameworks that might facilitate these proofs without extensive calculations involving vector operations and differential operators.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about simplifying proofs for vector calculus identities like the gradient of a product and the curl of a curl, expressing a desire to avoid lengthy calculations.
  • Another participant questions what the simplifications would be compared to and suggests providing specific proofs for better feedback on potential simplifications.
  • A participant asks if there exists a branch of mathematics that simplifies these proofs and allows avoiding the expansion of vectors and differential operators.
  • Some participants mention tensor calculus, differential forms, and exterior calculus as potential frameworks for simplifying proofs of vector identities.
  • One participant introduces geometric calculus as a comprehensive but possibly more challenging approach to these identities.
  • A later reply discusses the use of the Levi-Civita symbol as a method to simplify certain vector calculus identities without requiring extensive knowledge of tensors.
  • The same participant provides a detailed proof involving the Levi-Civita symbol, illustrating how it can be applied to derive a specific vector identity.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the potential for simplification, with no consensus on a single method or framework being universally accepted. Multiple competing approaches are suggested, indicating an unresolved discussion on the best way to simplify these proofs.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific mathematical frameworks and the potential complexity of understanding these alternative approaches. The discussion does not resolve the effectiveness of these methods in simplifying proofs.

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Is there a way to simplify the proof of different vecot calculus identities, such as grad of f*g, which is expandable. And also curl of the curl of a field. Is there a more convenient way to go about proving these relations than to go through the long calculations of actually performing the curl and grad etc? I know nothing about geometric algebra, but is that a good way?
 
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Im talking about all these identities, is there a branch of mathematics that simplifies the proofs of these, and let's me avoid expending the vectors and del operators?
 
You can use the Levi-Civita symbol without knowing anything about tensors other than the convention to not bother to write a summation sigma for an index that appears exactly twice. For example, ##\varepsilon_{ijk}A_j(B\times C)_k## really means ##\sum_{j=1}^3\sum_{k=1}^3\varepsilon_{ijk}A_j(B\times C)_k##. The proof of the first identity in post #3 goes like this:
\begin{align*}
&(A\times(B\times C))_i =\varepsilon_{ijk}A_j(B\times C)_k =\varepsilon_{ijk}A_j\varepsilon_{klm}B_l C_m =(\delta_{il}\delta_{jm}-\delta_{im}\delta_{jl})A_jB_lC_m
=A_jB_iC_j -A_jB_jC_i\\
&=B_i(A\cdot C)-C_i(A\cdot B) =(B(A\cdot C)-C(A\cdot B))_i.
\end{align*} The Levi-Civita symbol ##\varepsilon_{ijk}## is defined by saying that ##\varepsilon_{123}=1## and that an exchange of any two indices changes the sign of ##\varepsilon_{ijk}##. (For example ##\varepsilon_{132}=-\varepsilon_{123}=-1##). Note that this implies that ##\varepsilon_{ijk}=0## when two of the indices have the same value. (If ##i=j##, then ##\varepsilon_{ijk}=\varepsilon_{jik}=-\varepsilon_{ijk}##). The third equality in the calculation above involves one of a small number of identities that you have to prove before you can really start working with this notation.
 
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