Simplifying Integration by Substitution

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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function \(\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3x}{\sqrt{2x-1}}dx\) using the substitution \(u^2 = 2x - 1\). Participants are exploring the implications of this substitution and its effect on the integral's evaluation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss rearranging the substitution in terms of \(x\) and express confusion over the correct form of the substitution. There are attempts to derive expressions for \(dx\) and questions about simplifications in the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have identified errors in their calculations and are clarifying their understanding of the substitution process. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct forms and simplifications without a clear consensus on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is a focus on ensuring the substitution is applied correctly and the integral is simplified appropriately.

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Homework Statement


Using the substitution u² = 2x - 1, or otherwise, find the exact value of
[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3x}{\sqrt{2x-1}}dx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Right let's rearrange u in terms of x (i think that's how you say it):

[tex]x = \frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}[/tex]And now get an expression for dx

[tex]u = (2x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

use the chain rule on it to give

[tex]\frac{dx}{du} (2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

= [tex]dx = \frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]
Right now substitute that in

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3\frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}}{u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

now according to the mark scheme

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3\frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}}{u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

can be simplified

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3u^{2} - 3}{2u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

shouldn't the bit here:

[tex]\frac{3u^{2} - 3}{2u}[/tex]

be

[tex]\frac{3u^{2} - 3}{6u}[/tex]
 
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thomas49th said:
Right let's rearrange u in terms of x (i think that's how you say it):

[tex]x = \frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}[/tex]

Should be...

[tex]x = \frac{u^{2} + 1}{2}[/tex]

Shouldn't it?

I managed to get the integral with 2u on the bottom and looking the same, but let me know how you're making out.
 
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woops my bad i did 3 x EVERYTHING On the fraction (including the denominator). didn;t really have my brain in gear

sorry

cheers tho :)
 
Haha no worries, least you found out where you went wrong
 
thomas49th said:

Homework Statement


Using the substitution u² = 2x - 1, or otherwise, find the exact value of
[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3x}{\sqrt{2x-1}}dx[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Right let's rearrange u in terms of x (i think that's how you say it):

[tex]x = \frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}[/tex]


And now get an expression for dx

[tex]u = (2x-1)^{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]
It's much simpler not to rearrange u in terms of x (or "solve for x"). Instead, from u2= 2x- 1, 2udu= 2dx so udu= dx.

use the chain rule on it to give

[tex]\frac{dx}{du} (2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

= [tex]dx = \frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]



Right now substitute that in

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3\frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}}{u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

now according to the mark scheme

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3\frac{u^{2} - 1}{2}}{u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

can be simplified

[tex]\int^{5}_{1} \frac{3u^{2} - 3}{2u}\frac{du}{(2x-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}}[/tex]

shouldn't the bit here:

[tex]\frac{3u^{2} - 3}{2u}[/tex]

be

[tex]\frac{3u^{2} - 3}{6u}[/tex]
 

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