Simplifying radicals - Help with basic number manipulation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simplifying the expression \((\sqrt{6}/\sqrt{7}) \cdot \sqrt{21}\) as part of a refresher on basic number manipulation in mathematics. Participants explore different methods for combining and simplifying radicals, addressing errors in calculations and logic.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the expression \((\sqrt{6}/\sqrt{7}) \cdot \sqrt{21}\) and expresses confusion over their approach, leading to a different answer.
  • Another participant acknowledges the initial logic but points out a calculation error, suggesting that the expression simplifies to \(\sqrt{18} = 3\sqrt{2}\).
  • A later reply confirms the identification of the error in the calculation, clarifying that the expression simplifies differently than initially thought.
  • One participant suggests a method for simplifying radicals that involves reducing the expression before combining terms, emphasizing a clearer approach.
  • Another participant comments on the value of simplicity in mathematical approaches and the importance of adapting methods to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for clarity in simplifying radicals, but there are differing methods and interpretations of the simplification process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in simplification, and there are unresolved aspects regarding the introduction of additional radicals into the expression.

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Hi I'm trying to give myself a refresher in Leaving Cert maths and I'm running through some problems. Here's one which has me stumped (sorry I can't figure out how to show the actual symbols on the post, it's just showing as raw LaTEX when I try )

Combine terms and simplify the expression of -

(sqrt6/sqrt7) * sqrt21

The actual answer is that you move the /sqrt7 to the sqrt21 to end up with sqrt6 * sqrt3 = 2sqrt3

I missed this and instead multiplied the right hand term by sqrt7/sqrt7 but my answer is different. Can someone explain why my logic is incorrect?

(sqrt6/sqrt7) * ( (sqrt21*sqrt7)/sqrt7 )
sqrt6/sqrt7 * sqrt147/sqrt7
sqrt882/sqrt7
3sqrt14
 
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Hi TubeAlloy and welcome to MHB! :D

$$\dfrac{\sqrt6}{\sqrt7}\cdot\sqrt{21}=\sqrt{18}=3\sqrt2$$

TubeAlloy said:
(sqrt6/sqrt7) * ( (sqrt21*sqrt7)/sqrt7 )
sqrt6/sqrt7 * sqrt147/sqrt7
sqrt882/sqrt7
3sqrt14

Your logic is fine but you've made an error in your calculation. Can you spot it?

Quote this post to see how I coded the $\LaTeX$.
 
Oh wow I feel so silly, thanks a million for the help once I knew I wasn't doing something wrong I was able to spot the error.

$$\dfrac{\sqrt6}{\sqrt7}\cdot\dfrac{\sqrt147}{\sqrt7}$$

This is $$\dfrac{\sqrt882}{\sqrt49}$$ not $$\dfrac{\sqrt882}{\sqrt7}$$ as I had thought

So then it's $$\sqrt18$$ == $$3\sqrt2$$
 
Good work!

To get all of the numbers in a radical under the square root sign use \sqrt{123}. Note the curly braces. :)
 
TubeAlloy said:
Combine terms and simplify the expression: \frac{\sqrt{6}}{\sqrt{7}}\cdot\sqrt{21}

The actual answer is that you move the /sqrt7 to the sqrt21 to end up with sqrt6 * sqrt3 = 2sqrt3

I missed this and instead multiplied the right hand term by sqrt7/sqrt7 . Why?
but my answer is different. Can someone explain why my logic is incorrect?

(sqrt6/sqrt7) * ( (sqrt21*sqrt7)/sqrt7 )
sqrt6/sqrt7 * sqrt147/sqrt7
sqrt882/sqrt7
3sqrt14
Did some teacher tell you, "To simplify radicals,
introduce more radicals into the expression" ?

Here is the recommended way to simplify it:

. . \begin{array}{ccc}<br /> \dfrac{\sqrt{6}}{\sqrt{7}}\cdot\sqrt{21} &amp;=&amp; \sqrt{6}\cdot\dfrac{\sqrt{21}}{\sqrt{7}} \\ <br /> &amp;= &amp; \sqrt{6}\cdot\sqrt{\dfrac{21}{7}} \\ <br /> &amp; = &amp; \sqrt6\cdot\sqrt{3} \\<br /> &amp; = &amp; \sqrt{18} \\<br /> &amp;=&amp; \sqrt{9\cdot2} \\<br /> &amp;=&amp; \sqrt{9}\cdot\sqrt{2} \\<br /> &amp;=&amp; 3\sqrt{2} \end{array}


 
soroban has made an excellent point: the simpler the better! It's good to see experimentation with other methods though, and I think it's good that the error was spotted. Sometimes the simpler approach is not always realized so it's a good thing to be able to adapt one's skill set to the problem at hand. But at the end of the day, I think striving for simplicity is the best approach.
 

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