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Homework Help: Sinusoids- Fundamentals of Electric Circuits

  1. Apr 8, 2013 #1
    Find the phase angle between i_1= - 4 sin(377t+55) and i_2= 5 cos(377t-65)

    3. The attempt at a solution

    Ok, so I converted i_1= 4 cos(377t+145) and i_2=5cos(377t-65)

    According to lectures in class the 'most' negative leads. So in this case i_2 leads by -65-145=210. However, if you look at the publishers solution it says that i_1 leads by 210. Why? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

    Here is a link to the publishers solution posted online on his student edition help/tools website:

    Its problem 9.2

    Last edited: Apr 8, 2013
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  3. Apr 9, 2013 #2

    Simon Bridge

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    Draw the two as phasors and you'll see.
  4. Apr 9, 2013 #3
    I did and according to my lectures i_2 should lead. +x axis is the +cos(wt) and the -y axis is the +sin(wt)
    So i_1 = cos(377t+145) is in the II quadrant, and i_2=5cos(377-65 is in the IV quadrant). we start from the cos(wt) axis which is the + x axis and go counterclockwise for polar angle so first we wee i_1 and then i_2. So i_1 is lagging hence i_2 leading.
    Can anyone clarify this for me please?
  5. Apr 9, 2013 #4

    Simon Bridge

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    ... you missed out a minus sign.
    if i2 leads by a negative amount...
  6. Apr 9, 2013 #5
    Yes, we were told in class that result will be negative. And the most negative leads. So everything just contradicts here. This approach solved all the previous examples I tried. Now it all gets negated? Graphically how can you tell which one leads and which one follows? Its an angle 210 >180 so why not the other one lead?
  7. Apr 9, 2013 #6

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    If a phasor leads by angle A degrees then it also follows by angle 360-A degrees right?
    But if it leads by -A then doesn't that mean it follows by A.

    -65 degrees is the same as 295 degrees isn't it?
    210 is the same as -150?

    If the phasors were separated by 180 degrees, which would lead?
    Which is the "most negative"?

    i.e. is there a physical significance to "leading"?
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