Sketching graphs in polar coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around sketching the graph of the polar equation $$r = 2 + 4\cos(\theta)$$. Participants are exploring the implications of negative radius values in polar coordinates and how they affect the graph's representation, particularly focusing on the presence of an inner loop in the graph.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over the graphing process and the appearance of an inner loop in the expected graph.
  • Another participant points out that a radius of -2 at the angle of $$\pi$$ corresponds to the Cartesian point (2,0), prompting a discussion on the logic behind this transformation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on why a negative radius at a specific angle results in a point on the positive x-axis, indicating a lack of understanding of the underlying principles.
  • Further explanation is provided regarding the translation from polar to Cartesian coordinates, emphasizing how the signs of the radius affect the position on the x-axis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there is ongoing confusion regarding the interpretation of negative radius values and their graphical implications, leading to differing understandings of the graph's features.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the relationship between polar coordinates and their Cartesian equivalents, particularly in the context of negative radii and their graphical representation.

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This discussion may be useful for students learning about polar coordinates, graphing techniques, and the conversion between polar and Cartesian systems.

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I don't understand why I am screwing this up so bad.

Sketch the graph of the equation $$r = 2 + 4cos(\theta)$$ in polar coordinates.

So I did:

$$0 = 2 + 4cos(\theta) $$
$$= -\frac{1}{2} = cos(\theta)$$

Then got $$cos(\theta)$$ is $$-\frac{1}{2}$$ @ $$\frac{2\pi}{3}$$ and @$$ \frac{4\pi}{3} $$

Then i plotted points to get

0 ,6
pi/2 , 2
pi, -2
3pi/2 , 2
2pi, 6

And I'm not understanding where they are getting the 2 for the like inner loop part of the centroid... My graph is on the left... The one on the right is what its supposed to look like.

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I'm getting everything the same except I'm not getting the inner loop
 

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A radius of -2 at the angle of $\pi$ would be at the Cartesian point (2,0)...do you see why?
 
MarkFL said:
A radius of -2 at the angle of $\pi$ would be at the Cartesian point (2,0)...do you see why?
No I don't actually. Why is that? I mean I know that it should be (2,0) I just don't understand the logic behind it or why, but I know it obviously is because I'm getting the wrong graph lol.
 
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The polar point $(r,\pi)$ will lie along the $x$-axis. If $r$ is positive, then the point is on the negative $x$-axis and if $r$ is negative, the point will be on the positive $x$-axis. Think of the rectangular translation for this point:

$$x=r\cos(\pi)=-r$$

$$y=r\sin(\pi)=0$$

Hence, the polar point:

$$(r,\pi)$$

is the rectangular point:

$$(-r,0)$$
 

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