Sliding egg I think the books wrong, could someone please verify?

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The discussion revolves around determining the smallest angle from the horizontal that will cause an egg to slide on a pan, given a coefficient of static friction. The original poster presents their calculations and questions the accuracy of a textbook answer.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the angle using static friction equations and questions the textbook's answer. Some participants challenge the assumption that the normal force is equal to the gravitational force, while others suggest that the normal force should be expressed in terms of the angle.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions, and exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the normal force and gravitational force, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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There is a discrepancy between the original poster's calculated angle and the textbook answer, leading to a discussion about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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***EDIT***Sorry for a second there, I tried to convince myself that FN was not equal to Fg, but it must.

Given the coefficient of static friction (.4) between an egg and a pan, what is the smallest angle from the horizontal taht will cause the egg to slide?

Here's my drawing:
PhysicsEgg.jpg

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/BeamsBox/PhysicsEgg.jpg)

Here's my work:
x, implying that it's along the x-axis
Fs is static friction force
Fg is the force of gravity
m = mass
a = acceleration
(mue) = .4, the coefficient of friction


Fs(max) = (mue)FN Equation 1
FN = mg
Substitute to get:
Fs(max) = (mue)(mg) Equation 2


F(net)x = max
Fs - Fgx = max

Since it is stationary, a = 0

Fs - Fgx = m(0)
Fs = Fgx Equation 3

Now substitute (mue)(mg) for Fs,
(mue)(mg) = Fgx, and substitute the Fgx from the diagram,
(mue)(mg) = Fgsin(theta), and substitute mg for Fg
(mue)(mg) = (mg)sin(theta), mg cancels out
(mue) = sin(theta), and substitute the known .4 for (mue),
.4 = sin(theta)
theta = sin-1(.4)
theta = about 23.6 degrees

The book says 2... any ideas on where I may have gone wrong?
 
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The magnitude of the normal force is not equal to mg.
 
To elaborate on DH's remark. If the egg is just about to slide, it is still at rest and the sum of all the forces on it must be zero. Look at your drawing. For the sum of the three vectors to be zero, the magnitudes of the vectors must form a closed triangle. Fg is the hypotenuse and Fn one of the right sides. Can they be equal? What is it that must be equal instead?
 
FN = Fgcos(theta)... that seems to make more sense.
 
Can you finish the problem now?
 
Ya, I figured it out... finally thanks again.
 

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