Finding the Differential Equation for a Free Falling Body with Air Resistance

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a free falling body experiencing air resistance proportional to its velocity. Participants are tasked with using Newton's second law to derive the differential equation governing the body's velocity over time, with the positive direction defined as downward.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the body, including gravitational force and air resistance. Questions arise regarding the net force and the correct formulation of the differential equation. Some express confusion about the relationship between force and velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the correct setup of the forces involved and questioning the assumptions made in the initial attempts. Guidance has been offered regarding the signs of the forces and the need to clarify the net force equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the adequacy of the information provided in the problem statement to establish the differential equation. There is a focus on ensuring the correct interpretation of the forces and their directions.

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Homework Statement



Under some circumstances a falling body B of mass m encounters air resistance proportional to its instantaneous velocity v. Use Newton's second law to find the differential equation for the velocity of v of the body at time t. Recall that acceleration a = dv/dt. Assume in this case that the positive direction is downward.

Homework Equations



F = ma

a = dv/dt

air resistance = kv

kv = mg

The Attempt at a Solution



kv = mg (dv/dt)

(dv/dt) (k/m) v = g

The solution in the text is (dv/dt) + (k/m) v = g.

I'm failing to understand why (dv/dt) is added to (k/m).
 
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What forces act on the object? What's the net force?
 
Doc Al said:
What forces act on the object? What's the net force?

Net force = mg + km?
 
trojansc82 said:
Net force = mg + km?
mg, yes. But what is 'km'? There's a force proportional to the velocity, so show that. (What direction--and thus sign--does it have?)
 
Doc Al said:
mg, yes. But what is 'km'? There's a force proportional to the velocity, so show that. (What direction--and thus sign--does it have?)

So then v = mg?

I'm really confused...I don't feel like this question provides enough information to set up an equation.

I'm only able to set up this equation:

F = ma, letting F = kv, m = mg, and a = (dv/dt).

kv = mg (dv/dt)

Simplified:

(dv/dt) (k/m) v = g
 
trojansc82 said:
So then v = mg?
:confused: The units don't even match. (You can't set a velocity equal to a force.)


I'm really confused...I don't feel like this question provides enough information to set up an equation.

I'm only able to set up this equation:

F = ma, letting F = kv, m = mg, and a = (dv/dt).
There are two forces acting: One is the weight (mg); the other is the air resistance, which you correctly have as kv (but what sign should it have?).

(Setting m = mg doesn't make much sense!)

So write the two forces, add them up to get the net force (pay attention to the signs of the forces), then apply ΣF = ma = m(dv/dt). That will give you the equation you need.
 
Doc Al said:
There are two forces acting: One is the weight (mg); the other is the air resistance, which you correctly have as kv (but what sign should it have?).

Net force = mg -kv ?
 
trojansc82 said:
Net force = mg -kv ?
Exactly! Continue.
 

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