Small-florida-community-aims-for-energy-independence

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The discussion centers around a solar panel array in a small Florida community aiming for energy independence. Participants explore the implications of solar energy production, battery storage, and the diversity of energy sources in relation to peak demand times. The conversation touches on both local and broader energy planning considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the size of the solar array, mentioning it consists of 700,000 panels covering about 800 acres.
  • Another participant highlights that Florida Power & Light (FPL) has significantly invested in solar energy, installing about 11 million solar panels statewide.
  • Concerns are raised about battery storage capabilities, with one participant stating that the 10 megawatts of lithium battery storage at Babcock Ranch is insufficient for nighttime power needs, which are supplemented by a natural gas plant.
  • Participants discuss the timing of Florida's peak power demand, which coincides with peak solar production, suggesting that this alignment reduces the need for extensive battery storage.
  • One participant contrasts Florida's energy situation with that of Fairbanks, Alaska, emphasizing the importance of diversity in energy planning for different regions.
  • There is mention of a coal-fired power plant near Lawrence, Kansas, shutting down as part of a carbon net-zero plan, indicating broader trends in energy production and policy.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the effectiveness and challenges of solar energy and battery storage, with no clear consensus on the best approach to energy independence or the adequacy of current solutions.

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The discussion reflects differing regional energy needs and strategies, highlighting the complexity of energy planning and the influence of local conditions on energy production and consumption.

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I thought of Old Jim (Jim Hardy), who worked at a Florida power plant, when watching a PBS television program this evening about this Solar panel array:

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Image compliments of https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/s...dependence-by-harnessing-the-power-of-the-sun
 
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Wow, big array. Did they say how many acres it covers?
 
berkeman said:
Wow, big array. Did they say how many acres it covers?
It's 700,000 panels on about 800 acres of land. So, it is a very large solar field.
FPL is very serious about solar.
Matt Valle is FPL's vice president of development.

Since the installation of these arrays at Babcock Ranch in 2016, the company has gone big on solar power. Statewide, it has installed about 11 `million solar panels, generating nearly 9 percent of what it puts into the grid. The big driver is economics. Solar panels are now 80 percent cheaper than they were a decade ago.
I wondered about battery storage for load at night, and found
FPL has built 10 megawatts of lithium battery storage here, but it's not nearly enough to power Babcock Ranch through the night. A natural gas plant fills the gap.
 
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Location location location. Florida's peak power demand comes during the afternoon of the hottest sunniest days which coincides with peak solar production. So, because this solar farm is owned by FPL (the local power company), they can use other diverse power plants to supply the community at night, and the need for storage is avoided.

At my son's former residence in Fairbanks, Alaska, the situation is very different.

When we plan the energy future for a whole country or a whole continent, an important word is diversity. I'm confident that @dlgoff and @Astronuc and @berkeman understand that, but I like to keep hammering that point home at every opportunity.
 
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anorlunda said:
Location location location. Florida's peak power demand comes during the afternoon of the hottest sunniest days which coincides with peak solar production. So, because this solar farm is owned by FPL (the local power company), they can use other diverse power plants to supply the community at night, and the need for storage is avoided.

At my son's former residence in Fairbanks, Alaska, the situation is very different.

When we plan the energy future for a whole country or a whole continent, an important word is diversity. I'm confident that @dlgoff and @Astronuc and @berkeman understand that, but I like to keep hammering that point home at every opportunity.
Looks like our coal fired pant near Lawrence, Kansas is shutting to help with it's carbon net-zero plan:
https://www2.ljworld.com/news/gener...l-fired-power-plant-just-outside-of-lawrence/
 

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