Smaller diameter pressure outlet to increase force?

In summary, the conversation discusses the principles of Bernoulli's equation and its application in incompressible and compressible fluids. It is explained that in an incompressible fluid, the velocity increases when the diameter of the hose decreases, resulting in a decrease in static pressure. However, it is noted that in practical situations, other factors such as density changes and shock waves can also affect the flow. Ultimately, it is concluded that the flow rate remains constant, but the velocity of the fluid particles increases in a smaller tube.
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Pharrahnox
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I have a hose that temporarily stores pressure in it, and it is about 19.05mm (3/4 inch). The outlet diameter is 8mm, so the air is squeezing into an area ~0.4 times the size. Does this increase the air flow speed, or the pressure?

Does it follow a rule similar to:

P1*V1 = P2*V2

except with area instead of volume?
 
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For an incompressible fluid, this can be worked out with Bernoulli's principle (which is just the conservation of energy for fluids).
[itex]\frac{1}{2}\rho v^{2} +\rho g h + PV = \text{const}[/itex]

If you assume the fluid flows at a constant rate (that it is incompressible), it must be flowing faster (the velocity of the bits of water, not the flow rate) as the diameter of the hose goes down (so that the same number of liters per second is coming out the nozzle as comes into it). If the height doesn't change, then the pressure must go down.

Of course, talking about air means that the density can change too, but there is a similar equation governing compressible fluids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle

Hope this helps:)
 
  • #3
The velocity of the incompressible fluid increases. Due to this, the dynamic pressure increases as the static pressure decreases leaving no net change in pressure, overall (neglecting losses due to friction).
 
  • #4
jfizzix said:
If you assume the fluid flows at a constant rate (that it is incompressible)

Incompressible flow and fluid flowing at a constant rate are not the same thing.

jfizzix said:
Of course, talking about air means that the density can change too, but there is a similar equation governing compressible fluids.

The density is not necessarily changing in air either. For air moving less than roughly Mach 0.3, the change in density is effectively zero in a flow and it can be treated as incompressible.

You also have to be very careful applying Bernoulli's equation with corrections for compressibility. Especially in compressible flows you don't necessarily have some neatly packaged equation that you can just apply willy-nilly. In particular, just blindly applying a Bernoulli-like relation tells you nothing about whether the flow is choked or if there are shocks anywhere in the system.

Anyway, assuming an incompressible, steady flow, the velocity will increase when the hose constricts since the mass flowing trough the tune must go somewhere (it remains constant). To pass it through a smaller tube the flow must speed up. Bernoulli's equation is the energy conservation relation in this situation for an inviscid flow, and shows that the static pressure drops as the velocity increases.
 
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Incompressible flow and constant flow rate are indeed not the same thing.

If the fluid is incompressible, the flow rate through any cross sectional area over the length of the nozzle must be the same (as seen from the continuity equation), though it need not be constant in time (say if the air hose is connected to a tank which depletes over time).

It could be that the flow rate is constant throughout the extent of the system, but changing in time.

It would have been better to say that the flow rate is not changing
 
  • #6
Ok, so the flow rate stays the same, and in order for that to be the case, each fluid particle must speed up through the smaller tube?

So if I were to measure the new force of that, from it being 800000pc in the 2.865x10-4m2 hose, it would now be ?pc in the 5.027x10-5m2 tube?
 

What is a smaller diameter pressure outlet?

A smaller diameter pressure outlet refers to a system in which the outlet or opening through which a fluid is released or expelled is smaller in diameter than the inlet or the source of the fluid. This creates a buildup of pressure within the system, resulting in a higher force of the fluid being expelled.

How does a smaller diameter pressure outlet increase force?

A smaller diameter pressure outlet increases force by creating a higher pressure within the system. This pressure is created when the fluid is forced through a smaller opening, causing it to speed up and exert a greater force when it is released.

What are the applications of a smaller diameter pressure outlet?

A smaller diameter pressure outlet can be used in various applications, such as in hydraulic systems, pneumatic systems, and even in everyday objects like spray bottles. It is commonly used to increase the force of fluid or gas being released, making it useful in industries such as manufacturing, construction, and agriculture.

Are there any limitations to using a smaller diameter pressure outlet?

Yes, there are limitations to using a smaller diameter pressure outlet. While it can increase force, it also creates a higher pressure within the system, which can lead to potential hazards such as leaks, bursts, or damage to the equipment. It is important to carefully design and maintain the system to prevent these issues.

How can the force be calculated in a system with a smaller diameter pressure outlet?

The force in a system with a smaller diameter pressure outlet can be calculated using the formula F = P x A, where F is the force, P is the pressure, and A is the area of the outlet. As the pressure increases due to the smaller outlet, the force will also increase. However, other factors such as the viscosity of the fluid and the design of the system may also affect the force.

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