A Solar drive / neutron atmosphere

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The discussion centers on the misconception that the Sun has an "atmosphere" of free neutrons due to its fusion processes. It clarifies that the Sun primarily generates energy through Proton-Proton fusion and the CNO cycle, neither of which produces free neutrons. Neutrons created in the core are quickly utilized in nuclear reactions, preventing them from reaching the surface. While it's theoretically possible to harness neutron interactions for propulsion in unmanned spacecraft, relying on free neutrons from the Sun is impractical due to their rapid decay and the Sun's effective shielding. Overall, the idea of utilizing solar neutrons for energy generation in spacecraft remains speculative and fraught with challenges.
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I am wondering, if the sun is a fusion reactor, it should have an "atmosphere" of neutrons ?
So presumably a craft with suitable fuel eg boron or uranium, in a close pass, would be able to use that to react with the fuel in a suitable drive ? Probably not good for humans - (!) but for an unmanned bulk carrier, it could produce a useful boost maybe... just an idea.
 
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synch said:
I am wondering, if the sun is a fusion reactor, it should have an "atmosphere" of neutrons ?

The Sun's primary method of energy generation is Proton-Proton fusion. This reaction chain builds up helium by fusing together a total of 4 protons. During the first reaction in the chain, two protons collide, one is converted into a neutron, and the two fuse together under the strong nuclear force. This creates a deuterium nucleus. Another free proton collides with this deuterium and the two fuse, creating Helium-3. Another three protons combine in the same manner to form another Helium-3 nucleus, and then the two nuclei collide and fuse. Two out of these remaining four protons are ejected during this process, leaving two protons and two neutrons fused together, aka Helium-4. No free neutrons are created during this process.

The other energy generation process is the CNO cycle. The cycle is more complicated than the P-P chain, but no free neutrons are generated during it either.

See the following links for more info.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNO_cycle

Long story short, the Sun doesn't have an atmosphere of free neutrons.
 
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synch said:
I am wondering, if the sun is a fusion reactor, it should have an "atmosphere" of neutrons ?

You're correct, protium fusion does generate some neutrons, especially in side reactions like between deuterium nuclei. However, the sun's fusion reactions take place in its core, which is only 20-25% of its radius. That leaves the rest of the sun's bulk (75-80% of its radius and 65% of its mass) to act as shielding. The sun's self-shielding is so effective that it takes even photon energy about 10,000 to 170,000 years to transfer to the surface, while neutrons are almost immediately used in core nuclear processes. If a free neutron manages to avoid being caught up in nuclear reactions, it has a half-life of 15 minutes before it turns into a proton. (Neutrons are surprisingly unstable outside of nuclei.)

In short, those core neutrons will never reach the surface.

It's also pretty easy to stimulate neutron release in a quantity of uranium suited for nuclear propulsion, and the means of doing so (e.g., a critical mass with adjustable control rods or neutron reflectors) give fine control over the nuclear processes and provide a safety mechanism. Depending on an outside, variable, even random neutron flux is tickling the dragon's tail - begging for trouble.

But it's a good leap of imagination to put those facts together.
 
Minor nitpick-- the free neutron half-life is 10.2 minutes. The 15 minutes is the mean lifetime, which is a bit longer than the time it takes 1/2 of the neutrons to decay.
 
Ken G said:
Minor nitpick-- the free neutron half-life is 10.2 minutes. The 15 minutes is the mean lifetime, which is a bit longer than the time it takes 1/2 of the neutrons to decay.

Heh, I remembered 12.5 minutes but it'd been years since I used the value so I double checked with the source of all teh interwebs knowledge, Wikipedia, and saw 881.5 seconds for, yep, mean lifetime. I had "half-life" on the brain and wrote that instead. Thank you for pointing that out or I'd still be spouting "15 minutes half-life" years from now.
 
cray said:
You're correct, protium fusion does generate some neutrons, especially in side reactions like between deuterium nuclei.

Those pesky side reactions! ?:)
 
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