Solar Driven low Resource Consuption Steam Engine Materials

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of constructing a solar-driven steam engine using low-cost materials and simple tools. Participants explore various methods for heating water to create steam without relying on traditional fuels like coal or wood, while also considering the size constraints of the design.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that using solar panels may not provide sufficient power for a small steam engine, proposing instead to use a hot plate to heat water.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of piston fitting in a small engine, noting that power loss from poor fitting will be more significant in smaller designs.
  • A suggestion is made to explore historical steam engines, specifically referencing the work of Hero of Alexandria, as an alternative demonstration of steam power without a piston-cylinder mechanism.
  • One participant proposes using parabolic dishes or solar ovens to achieve the necessary temperatures for boiling water, indicating that a well-designed setup could reach high temperatures.
  • A later reply expresses skepticism about the practicality of certain historical designs, initially viewing them as theoretical rather than feasible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality of solar-driven steam engines, with some advocating for alternative heating methods while others question the feasibility of certain designs. No consensus is reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions regarding the efficiency of solar heating and the design constraints of the steam engine, but these assumptions remain unresolved. The discussion includes references to historical models and their applicability to modern designs.

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Hi I'm dbmorpher
For my local History fair I am basing my report on the Indutrial Evolution and it's Inventions namely the Steam Engine.
I wanted to know if there was an easy way to make a steam engine that was or had...
  • Low cost parts
  • No fuel such as coal or wood
  • No need for complicated tools
  • A small design (at most 2 and a half feet)
I was thinking about an engine that used the sun to heat the water but I am not familiar with any solar panel providers and do not know how to efficiently transfer heat. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You.
 
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dbmorpher said:
Hi I'm dbmorpher
For my local History fair I am basing my report on the Indutrial Evolution and it's Inventions namely the Steam Engine.
I wanted to know if there was an easy way to make a steam engine that was or had...
  • Low cost parts
  • No fuel such as coal or wood
  • No need for complicated tools
  • A small design (at most 2 and a half feet)
I was thinking about an engine that used the sun to heat the water but I am not familiar with any solar panel providers and do not know how to efficiently transfer heat. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You.

It takes a fair amount of power to make steam (even a little of it), so using the sun or solar panels may not be practical for a small steam engine for a science fair.

I think the easiest way to do this is to make a small pot that sits on top of a standard hot plate (that you plug into the wall for power), and build your steam piston engine on top of the pot. You could have a single cylinder turn a flywheel with steam power, for example. The hardest part would be fitting the piston into the cylinder, because you need fairly good tolerances for that. But you might be able to adapt an old radio-controlled airplane engine to steam power (I'm not sure how hard that might be), or figure out some other simple way to get a piston fitted well into a cylinder (for low friction movement back and forth).
 
berkeman said:
I think the easiest way to do this is to make a small pot that sits on top of a standard hot plate (that you plug into the wall for power), and build your steam piston engine on top of the pot.

Don't try to make it too small. The power loss caused by badly fitting pistons etc will be proporionally worse for a small engine than a big one. Low pressure steam acting on a big piston area will generate as much force as higher pressure on a small area, but with a lot less leakage.
 
Than You all for your help
I have an idea of what I am going to do now
 
Solar driven for steam means Parabolic dishes. So you'll have to do something like a solar oven to boil it. Possibly even a cheap half-ball lens ($10-20) with the focal point on a heat exchanger section of your pipe. Large parabolic dish focused on a mirror directing to your ball lens should let you get a few hundred degrees if you have good summer quality sun. Parabolic dises alone can hit 300 or so degrees.
 
Oh I had seen that image in a book I had read "A History of the Growth of the Steam Engine" I thought it to be theoretical not plausible
 

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