Solar Thermal Optics - Concentrated Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculations and principles involved in solar thermal optics, specifically focusing on concentrated sunlight for heating applications. Participants explore the potential heating energy from the sun, the efficiency of reflective surfaces, and the relationship between the design of parabolic mirrors and energy capture.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the potential heating energy of the sun per cm2, suggesting a common figure of 1000W/m2 (0.1W/cm2) while noting that this value can vary based on location, time, and weather.
  • Another participant explains that to calculate the increase in energy due to concentrated sunlight, one should first multiply by the area of the reflector facing the sun, not the curved surface area, and consider the efficiency of the mirror.
  • It is proposed that the efficiency of the mirror could be around 90% for a well-designed reflector, while the energy absorbed by the target also depends on its material properties, with suggestions for different absorption coefficients based on the surface finish of the target pipe.
  • A participant mentions that knowing the flow rate of water and measuring the inlet and outlet temperatures can help calculate the power captured by the system.
  • There is a clarification regarding the 1kW/m2 figure, with one participant expressing confusion about its relation to photovoltaic energy, while another emphasizes that it refers to the solar energy arriving at the Earth's surface.
  • Discussion includes the relationship between the diameter of the parabolic reflector and the amount of heat gathered, with a participant asserting that photons can accumulate at a focal point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying understandings of the energy figures and their implications, with some confusion regarding the distinction between photovoltaic and thermal energy. There is no consensus on the exact values for efficiency or absorption rates, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the calculations depend on several assumptions, including the efficiency of the mirror, the design of the reflector, and the material properties of the target pipe. The discussion highlights the need for precise measurements and considerations of local conditions.

Steven B
Hi,
Can someone start me out with creating predictable temperatures and inputs for calculations.
Here is a miniature example of the type of parabolic circulated water heating devices I have been building.



My first questions would be what is the potential heating energy of the sun per cm2?
And can I simply multiply that, by the cm2 area of the heating target (copper tube) receiving sunlight, and then by the surface area of the parabolic mirror, to calculate the increase in energy due to concentrated sunlight?
I definitely have additional questions to follow!
Thanks in advance,
Steven
 
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Steven B said:
My first questions would be what is the potential heating energy of the sun per cm2?
The usual figure quoted is 1000W/m2 but it depends on where you live, time of day, time of year, the weather so will probably be lower.

1000W/m2 = 0.1W/cm2

Steven B said:
And can I simply multiply that, by the cm2 area of the heating target (copper tube) receiving sunlight, and then by the surface area of the parabolic mirror, to calculate the increase in energy due to concentrated sunlight?

First multiply by the area of the reflector facing the sun. That's not the same as the curved surface area of the reflector. It also changes if the reflector isn't pointed correctly at the sun.

Then multiply by a number between 0 and 1 to account for the efficiency of the mirror (the mirror absorbs some energy). I think a reasonable figure for a good mirror might be 90% or 0.9.

If the reflector is well designed (right curve) then all of that energy arrives at the target. If not well designed then some will miss the target. Assume well designed or pick your own figure?

Not all of the energy that arrives at the target will be absorbed by it. So again multiply by another number between 0 and 1. This depends on how reflective it is. Something like a matt black anodised pipe would be quite good (perhaps assume x0.9). A polished chrome plated pipe much lower (0.1?).
 
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PS If you know the flow rate for the water going through the pipe and can measure the temperature going in and coming out then you can calculate the power captured.
 
I'm going to re-read your second part to absorb it (no pun intended) better.
But I thought 1kw per square meter was just the potential photovoltaic electrical energy. Interesting.
The reflective surface is mirror grade stainless. The target pipe is 1/2 copper with black stove paint coating. I'll have to look up the gps of the pump.
I do know that the amount of heat gathered by a parabolic is related to it's diameter, " ... Not it's surface length. Photons do not compress, but they can be culmative on a focal point... Yes?
 
Steven B said:
I'm going to re-read your second part to absorb it (no pun intended) better.
But I thought 1kw per square meter was just the potential photovoltaic electrical energy. Interesting.

It's the amount of energy from the sun that arrives at the Earth's surface. See..

http://www.reuk.co.uk/wordpress/solar/solar-insolation/

I think most PV panels are only about 20% efficient so at best produce around 200W per sqm.
 

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