Solid Hollow Shaft Torsion Resistance: How Will It Change?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the torsional resistance of a hollow shaft compared to a solid shaft, specifically focusing on how the change in geometry affects torsional resistance. Participants explore the implications of melting a hollow shaft to create a solid shaft, examining the relationships between cross-sectional area, polar moment of inertia, and torsional resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the internal diameter of the hollow shaft is two-thirds of its external diameter and seeks help in understanding the change in torsional resistance when switching to a solid shaft.
  • Another participant suggests determining the dimensions of the solid shaft based on the volume of material being the same as that of the hollow shaft.
  • A participant calculates the area of the solid shaft relative to the hollow shaft and questions whether the torsional resistance decreases, indicating a focus on the polar moment of inertia.
  • One participant asserts that torsional resistance decreases, while another argues that torsional resistance is proportional to the cross-sectional area rather than the polar moment of inertia.
  • There is confusion expressed about the relationship between the torsional constant (J) and the area in calculating variations in resistance.
  • A later reply acknowledges a mistake regarding the role of the polar moment of inertia in torsional resistance, affirming that it is indeed the polar moment that is significant, not the cross-sectional area.
  • Participants reference external resources for further clarification on torsion in shafts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between torsional resistance, cross-sectional area, and polar moment of inertia. There is no consensus on the implications of switching from a hollow to a solid shaft regarding torsional resistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical relationships involved, and there are assumptions regarding the uniformity of material properties and shaft lengths that remain unexamined.

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Homework Statement


internal diameter of a hollow shaft is two third of its external diameter .if it is melted and new solid shaft is made.what would happen to the shaft resistance of torsion. in percentage?

Homework Equations


as i know T/j=G*angle of twist/length.
torsional resistance=G*teta(twist)

The Attempt at a Solution


i have no idea . any help would be appeciable .thanks[/B]
 
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The first step is to determine the relative diameter of the solid shaft. It comprises the same volume of material as for the hollow shaft, so (assuming shafts of identical lengths), how to determine the dimensions of the solid shaft?

Perhaps start by saying: let the outer diameter of the hollow shaft be "D".
 
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ok. i get that . so my area of solid shaft = .55*A(hollow ).. but resistance depends on polar moment of inertia right? .
j(solid)=pi/32(D)4 .if I am not wrong .. then does my shaft resistance decreasce?.
 
Yes, torsional resistance decreases.
 
The torsional resistance is proportional to the cross sectional area, not the polar moment of inertia.

Chet
 
sorry. J represent torsional constant. its the resistance to torsion. I am i correct ? ..or how can i use area here to calculate variation in resistance. bit confued :(
 
praveenpandiyan said:
sorry. J represent torsional constant. its the resistance to torsion. I am i correct ? ..or how can i use area here to calculate variation in resistance. bit confued :(
What does your textbook say?
 
well .torsion for solid shaft , i have torsion eqn T/J=G*tete/L=shear stess/R
but i found finally its torsional stiffness k=T/twist that provide solution. if not i need to do some ground work myself .thanks chester
 
praveenpandiyan said:
well .torsion for solid shaft , i have torsion eqn T/J=G*tete/L=shear stess/R
but i found finally its torsional stiffness k=T/twist that provide solution. if not i need to do some ground work myself .thanks chester
Don't thank me so soon. I was wrong about it. The shear strain in the shaft is rdθ/dz. If you use this to determine the shear stress, and then the torsional moment, you find that it's the polar moment of inertia that is the thing that comes into play (as you said), not the cross sectional area (as I had said). So your were right in the first place. Senior Moment. Sorry about that.

Chet
 
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praveenpandiyan said:
ok. i get that . so my area of solid shaft = .55*A(hollow ).. but resistance depends on polar moment of inertia right? .
j(solid)=pi/32(D)4 .if I am not wrong .. then does my shaft resistance decreasce?.
It seems well covered here: http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/torsion-shafts-d_947.html
 
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yeah thanks Nas.
 

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