Design of Hollow Shaft to Replace Solid Shaft for Same Shear Stress and Torsion

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The discussion revolves around the design of a hollow shaft intended to replace a solid shaft while maintaining the same maximum shear stress and torsion. Participants explore calculations related to the polar second moment of area, shear stress, and the dimensions of the shafts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents initial calculations for the hollow shaft's dimensions based on a diameter ratio of 0.6, expressing uncertainty about the results compared to the solid shaft's dimensions.
  • Another participant points out potential errors in the initial calculations, suggesting corrections to the equations used for the polar second moment of area and radius.
  • A later reply provides revised calculations for the dimensions of the hollow shaft, indicating a new diameter of 208mm and an inner diameter of 125mm, while expressing hope that these values are correct.
  • One participant confirms that the revised dimensions appear correct, while another expresses gratitude for the verification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial calculations, with some expressing doubts and others providing corrections. The final dimensions proposed by one participant receive affirmation, but earlier disagreements remain unresolved.

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Participants note various assumptions and potential errors in calculations, particularly regarding the application of formulas and the interpretation of dimensions. There are indications of confusion over subscripts and the correct application of the polar second moment of area formula.

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Homework Statement


assuming that the maximum shear stress and torsion are the same in both shafts design a hollow shaft to replace the solid one . the ratio diameters is to be 0.6 for the maximum shear stress i calculated 79.95 x 10 ^6 mn/m2 and for the torsion i calculated 122.78x10^3 in the previous question.


Homework Equations


(T) torque/ (J) polar second moment of area and (t) shear stress/ ( r) radius

polar second moment of area = pie (d4-d4)/32

radius = D/2


The Attempt at a Solution


(j)= pie ((0.6)4-d4)/32 = 0.08545 d4

(r) = 0.6/2 = 0.3

solid shaft = j/r = 152.41x10^6 / 99.25 x 10 ^-3 = 1.535 x 10^-3values from previous question

hollow shaft = j/r = 0.08545/0.3 = 284.83 x 10^ -3

d 3 square root with 1.535 x 10^-3/284.83 x 10^-3 under it = 175.32 x 10^-3

D= 0.6 x D = 0.6 x 175.32 x 10^-3 = 105.19 x 10^-3

therefore the dimensions are 175mm and 105mm

i think these values are wrong as the solid shaft is 198.5mm and i always thought the hollow shaft would be larger in diameter please help as i don't no what i have done wrong..
 
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Homework Statement


assuming that the maximum shear stress and torsion are the same in both shafts design a hollow shaft to replace the solid one . the ratio diameters is to be 0.6 for the maximum shear stress i calculated 79.95 x 10 ^6 mn/m2 and for the torsion i calculated 122.78x10^3 in the previous question.


Homework Equations


(T) torque/ (J) polar second moment of area and (t) shear stress/ ( r) radius

polar second moment of area = pie (d4-d4)/32
that's pie(d_o^4 - d_i^4)/32
radius = D/2
please watch your subscripts, r = d_o/2

The Attempt at a Solution


(j)= pie ((0.6)4-d4)/32 = 0.08545 d4
the equation should be pie(d_o^4 - (0.6d_o)^4))/32, but your answer is correct
(r) = 0.6/2 = 0.3
r is d_o/2
solid shaft = j/r = 152.41x10^6 / 99.25 x 10 ^-3 = 1.535 x 10^-3values from previous question

hollow shaft = j/r = 0.08545/0.3 = 284.83 x 10^ -3

d 3 square root with 1.535 x 10^-3/284.83 x 10^-3 under it = 175.32 x 10^-3

D= 0.6 x D = 0.6 x 175.32 x 10^-3 = 105.19 x 10^-3

therefore the dimensions are 175mm and 105mm

i think these values are wrong as the solid shaft is 198.5mm and i always thought the hollow shaft would be larger in diameter please help as i don't no what i have done wrong..
Yes, it should be larger in diameter; please correct your errors and try again. Be careful with the math, there are a lot of places where you can go wrong..
 
Had another look today and relised where i have went wrong here is my new answers :

torsion / polar second moment of area = tau/ radius

: (t) 122.78 x 10^3/(j) 0.08545 = (tau) 79.95 x 10 ^6/d/2

: (t) 122.78 x 10 ^3/(tau) 79.95 x 10 ^6 = (j) 0.08545 / d/2


D= 3 square root with 122.78 x 10^3/79.95 x 10 ^6 divide by 2 x 0.08545 = 207.90x10 ^-3m


d= 0.6 x D = 0.6 x 207.90 x 10 ^-3 = 124.74 x 10 -3m

the dimensions for the hollow shaft are D=208mm and d=125mm

hopefully i am correct this time!
 
Yes, that looks about right.:approve:
 
thanks for checking :smile:
 

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