Sol'n of Schrodinger's Eq: A e^{kx-wt} & A Sin(kx-wt)

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The discussion revolves around the solutions to Schrödinger's equation, specifically comparing the forms \( \Psi = A e^{kx - wt} \) and \( \Psi = A \sin(kx - wt) \). Participants explore the implications of using complex phase factors in wave functions and the conditions under which these forms satisfy the equation.

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  • One participant claims that the general solution of Schrödinger's equation can be expressed as \( \Psi = A e^{kx - wt} \) and that this satisfies the equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the use of complex exponentials helps maintain linear total energy while taking derivatives, noting the behavior of \( \exp[iEt] \) under differentiation.
  • A participant points out a missing "i" in the exponential argument of the first solution, indicating that the sine function does not satisfy Schrödinger's equation without specific conditions.
  • Some participants argue that the sine function can satisfy the equation only under certain "funky" potentials, while others assert that it does not satisfy the time-dependent Schrödinger equation (TDSE) without additional considerations.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of a complex phase in the wave function for eigenstates of quantum systems, emphasizing the role of the time-dependent phase.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the sine function as a solution to Schrödinger's equation, with some asserting it does not satisfy the equation without specific conditions, while others maintain that it can under certain circumstances. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the conditions under which each form is valid.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions needed for the sine function to be considered a solution, as well as the implications of using complex phase factors in wave functions.

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The general solution of Schrödinger's equation is givrn by --------
\Psi= A e^{kx-wt}.
And this satisfies the equation .

But the general solution of 3-D sinosidal wave is given by
Psi= A Sin(kx-wt)
And this also satisfies the Schrödinger's equation.

Schrödinger is credited to find the solution as complex phase factor (to signify matter waves) .

Now the question is what is the need of depicting matter waves as complex phase factor ?
 
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I think it has to do with keeping the total energy linear while taking a second derivative. For example: (d2/dt2)(exp[iEt]) = -E^2exp[iEt]. Where as i(d/dt)(exp[iEt]) = -E(exp[iEt]).

In a complex wave equation (i) acts as a derivative because it changes the phase by the same amount (90 degrees) while preserving linear total energy in the solution.
 
zodas said:
The general solution of Schrödinger's equation is givrn by --------
\Psi= A e^{kx-wt}.
And this satisfies the equation .
You're missing an "i" in that argument of the exponential.

But the general solution of 3-D sinosidal wave is given by
Psi= A Sin(kx-wt)
And this also satisfies the Schrödinger's equation.
No it doesn't. Not without some funky potential.
 
LostConjugate said:

Where is the time dependence of the wavefunction? It is not covered in that link. The point is that for an eigenstate of a quantum system, the time-dependent phase is always complex. So it is the "omega-t" term in the sine function mentioned by the OP that makes it not a solution of the TDSE. Try plugging that sine function into the TDSE and see what you get ... you will find that, as bapowell said, it requires a "funky" potential.
 
Got it.
 
Thanks guys !
 

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