Solution strange, differential equation

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation of motion given by m(d²x/dt²) + k sin(x) = 0. Participants explore methods for integrating the equation and obtaining a solution for x as a function of time, t.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and expresses difficulty in solving it.
  • Another participant suggests that the absence of the independent variable t in the equation indicates it may be solvable by quadrature, proposing a substitution to reduce the equation.
  • The second participant derives a separable form of the equation and integrates it, providing a relationship between velocity and position.
  • A later reply questions how to solve for x(t) from the derived expression for velocity, given an initial condition.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the derived expression can be solved explicitly for x(t), and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the feasibility of obtaining x as a function of time.

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The discussion does not clarify the assumptions or initial conditions necessary for solving the differential equation, nor does it address potential limitations in the integration process.

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Hi!
I have big problem with solve this equation:
m\frac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}+ksinx=0
I can't go ahead, because I don't know how solve this
\frac{dx}{\sqrt{cosx}}=\sqrt{\frac{2k}{m}}dt
Phizyk
 
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Since the independent variable, t, does not appear explicitely in the equation, that is a candidate for "quadrature".

Let v= dx/dt. Then d2x/dt2= dv/dt. But by the chain rule, dv/dt= (dv/dx)(dx/dt). And dx/dt= dv/dt, of course. That is d2x/dt2= (dx/dt)(dv/dt)= vdv/dx.

Your differential equation can be reduced to vdv/dx= -ksin(x) which is "separable":
mvdv= - k sin(x)dx. Integrating both sides, (m/2)v2= k cos(x)+ C. (That square is the reason for the name "quadrature".) Then v2= (2k/m) cos(x)+ C' or
v= dx/dt= sqrt((2k/m) cos(x)+ C').

I assume that, in order to get rid of that constant of integration, C', you must have some initial condition on dx/dt.
 
Great. Thanks Hallsoflvy.
 
But this equation \frac{dx}{dt}=\sqrt{\frac{2k}{m}cosx+C^{'}} can I solve? Can I obtain x(t)? For t=0 x=0. It's a equation of motion.
 
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