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The discussion centers on solving the cubic equation z^3 + 6z = 20, with a focus on the number of distinct solutions. The original poster claims to have found four distinct solutions, while the consensus is that a cubic equation can have at most three distinct solutions. A key error identified is the misunderstanding of how to apply substitutions correctly, leading to the confusion about the number of roots. The correct approach involves recognizing that the roots derived from the cubic equation ultimately yield three distinct values when considering the nature of complex roots. The conversation emphasizes the importance of verifying solutions by substituting back into the original equation.
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Homework Statement


Solve the equation ## z^3 + 6z = 20 ## (this was considered by Cardan in Ars
magna).

Homework Equations



Please see the 2nd attachement.

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to know if my solution is correct because the book (2nd attachment) says that there should only be 3 distinct solutions. I get 4 distinct solutions. My method is also slightly different from the book because I don't understand v and v1 etc...

Please explain to me how to solve cubic equations by the method explained in this attachment only. I don't want to solve this by euler's or any other method.

For my attempt please see the 1st attachment

Danke...
 

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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:

Homework Statement


Solve the equation ## z^3 + 6z = 20 ## (this was considered by Cardan in Ars
magna).

Homework Equations



Please see the 2nd attachement.

The Attempt at a Solution



I want to know if my solution is correct because the book (2nd attachment) says that there should only be 3 distinct solutions. I get 4 distinct solutions. My method is also slightly different from the book because I don't understand v and v1 etc...

Please explain to me how to solve cubic equations by the method explained in this attachment only. I don't want to solve this by euler's or any other method.

For my attempt please see the 1st attachment

Danke...
A cubic can have at most three distinct solutions. I looked at your work, but it is so small, and the written part is so faint that I couldn't read it. It would be better to post the actual work as text here rather than as an image, especially one that is illegible.
 
I have rewritten the first attachement in latex format below.

## z^3 + 6Z = 20 ##

Notice carefully! this equation is already in the form ## z^3 + 3bZ - C = 0 ## so the first substitution of ## P(z - a/3) ## as given in the text in the 2nd attachemtn is not necssary.

3bZ = 6Z
b = 2

## (Z - 2/Z)^3 + 6(Z - 2/Z) - 20 = 0 ##

## (Z^2 - 4 + 4/Z^2)(Z - 2/Z) + 6Z - 12/Z - 20 = 0 ##

after cancelling some terms

## Z^3 - 8/Z^3 - 20 = 0 ##

substituting
## y = Z^3 ##

## y^2 - 8 - 20y = 0 ##
solving the quadratic equation gives 20.392 or -0.392305
## y = 20.392 or -0.392305 ##

To find the original Z in the equation ## z^3 + 6Z = 20 ##
we must undo the substitution ## p(z - b/z) ##

so ## 20.392 = Z - 2/Z ##
solving this quadratic gives Z = 20.4896 or -0.09761044

so ## -0.392305 = Z - 2/Z ##
solving this quadratic gives Z = -1.62390451 or 1.2316

so there are 4 solutions for Z?
 

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PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
I have rewritten the first attachement in latex format below.

## z^3 + 6Z = 20 ##

Notice carefully! this equation is already in the form ## z^3 + 3bZ - C = 0 ## so the first substitution of ## P(z - a/3) ## as given in the text in the 2nd attachemtn is not necssary.

3bZ = 6Z
b = 2

## (Z - 2/Z)^3 + 6(Z - 2/Z) - 20 = 0 ##

## (Z^2 - 4 + 4/Z^2)(Z - 2/Z) + 6Z - 12/Z - 20 = 0 ##

after cancelling some terms

## Z^3 - 8/Z^3 - 20 = 0 ##

substituting
## y = Z^3 ##

## y^2 - 8 - 20y = 0 ##
solving the quadratic equation gives 20.392 or -0.392305
## y = 20.392 or -0.392305 ##

To find the original Z in the equation ## z^3 + 6Z = 20 ##
we must undo the substitution ## p(z - b/z) ##

so ## 20.392 = Z - 2/Z ##
solving this quadratic gives Z = 20.4896 or -0.09761044

so ## -0.392305 = Z - 2/Z ##
solving this quadratic gives Z = -1.62390451 or 1.2316

so there are 4 solutions for Z?

Theorem (The Fundamental Theorem of Algebra): a non-constant polynomial of degree ##n## has at most ##n## (complex) roots; if we count "multiplicity", it has exactly ##n## roots.

See, eg., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_theorem_of_algebra

The hardest part of the theorem is the proof that a polynomial has at least one root. After that, the rest is easy, if we use a Factorization Lemma:
If ##r## is a root of a polynomial ##p(x)## of degree ##n > 1##, then ##p(x)## is of the form ##p(x) = (x-r) q(x)##, where ##q(x)## is a polynomial of degree ##n-1##.

So, NO: your polynomial does not have 4 distinct roots.
 
So can you point me where I am wrong and give me the solution!
 
PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
So can you point me where I am wrong and give me the solution!

Why haven't you taken your 3 or 4 solutions for Z and plugged them back into the original equation, to see if these are actually solutions?
 
PcumP_Ravenclaw said:
So can you point me where I am wrong and give me the solution!

I will point out your error but will not give you the complete solution.

You want to solve an equation ##p(x) = 0##. You set ##x = Z - 2/Z##, so your equation becomes ##p(Z - 2/Z) = 0##. You find that the function ##Q(Z) = p(Z - 2/Z)## is quadratic in ##Z^3##, so you can find its two roots, say ##r_1= 10 + 3 \sqrt{3} \doteq 20.39230485## and ##r_2= 10 - 6 \sqrt{3} \doteq -0.39230485##.

After this point you make serious errors: you say that you must solve ##Z - 2/Z = r_1## and ##Z - 2/Z = r_2##, but this is not true. Your roots ##r_1, r_2## are values of ##Z^3##, so you need to solve ##Z^3 = r_1## and ##Z^3 = r_2##. That will give you 6 values of ##Z##; two of these are real and the other 4 are complex numbers.

Now find ##x## from ##x = Z - 2/Z##. If you proceed carefully you will find that the seemingly 6 separate values of ##x## (corresponding to the 6 values of ##Z##) actually collapse into 3 distinct values, each of which is duplicated twice. One of the ##x##-values is real and the other two are complex.

Basically, the same type of thing happens for any cubic equation, not just for your special one.
 
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Ray Vickson said:
I will point out your error but will not give you the complete solution.
Hey Ray Vickson, Thanks a lot man!
 

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