Solutions for x<0: Konig's Method

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to a differential equation for the case when x is less than zero. The original poster presents a solution for x greater than zero and seeks to extend this to negative values of x using a coordinate transformation.

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  • The original poster attempts to transform the variable x to -x and solve the modified differential equation. They express uncertainty about handling square roots of negative numbers and the implications for the terms in the equation.

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Participants are exploring the validity of the transformation method and questioning the treatment of square roots of negative numbers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the mathematical implications of the transformation, particularly concerning the square root of negative values.

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There is a discussion about the nature of the variable x and its implications for the solution, particularly regarding the square root and the handling of complex numbers. The original poster's approach raises questions about the correctness of substituting negative values directly into the equation.

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Hi,

I have solved a differential equation (1) for x, where i think is a real variable.

(1) [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x^{\frac{3}{2}} (1+x)^2}[/tex]

And get a solution

[tex]y(x) = \frac{2}{\sqrt{x}} - \frac{\sqrt{x}}{(1+x)} - 3 \arctan{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

Now, i want to find solutions for x<0, and i have said that the above is a solution for x>0.

So far i have simply done a coord transformation x→-x and then solved this equation

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x^{\frac{3}{2}} (1-x)^2}[/tex]

and then substituted in "-x" under my square roots.

Is this a correct way of finding x<0?

Konig.
 
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Konig said:
Hi,

I have solved a differential equation (1) for x, where i think is a real variable.

(1) [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x^{\frac{3}{2}} (1+x)^2}[/tex]

And get a solution

[tex]y(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{x}} - \frac{\sqrt{x}}{(1+x)} - 3 \arctan{\sqrt{x}}[/tex]

Now, i want to find solutions for x<0, and i have said that the above is a solution for x>0.

So far i have simply done a coord transformation x→-x and then solved this equation

[tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x^{\frac{3}{2}} (1-x)^2}[/tex]

and then substituted in "-x" under my square roots.

Is this a correct way of finding x<0?

Konig.
What do you plan to do about the square root of negative numbers?
 
SammyS said:
What do you plan to do about the square root of negative numbers?

Konig said:
and then substituted in "-x" under my square roots.

Konig.

So [tex]\sqrt{-x}, x<0[/tex] will give a positive answer.

Although I am not sure what to do about the [tex]x^{\frac{3}{2}}[/tex] part of the equation.

The answer should have natural logs and some x terms.

the solution of [tex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{x^{\frac{3}{2}} (1-x)^2}[/tex]

gives a similar answer to what i need which gives me hope. But I am not sure what the do with the first terms, eg there signs etc.

thanks.
 
You can't arbitrarily change the sign of x under the radical.

This will show the problem:
[itex]\displaystyle\sqrt{x}=\sqrt{(-1)(-1)x}[/itex]
[itex]\displaystyle =\left(\sqrt{-1}\,\right)\sqrt{-x}[/itex]​

What will you do with [itex]\sqrt{-1}\,?[/itex] -- even if you call it i .
 

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